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November 1st, 2018, 01:08 PM   #1
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He's right. Mav is sitting 150 points behind Marquez, and a race down on Rossi. They hadn't won for 25 races...Mav on the Suzuki (the only guy to win on it) rarely beat any Yamaha. Suzukis are routinely beating Yamahas now.
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He's right. Mav is sitting 150 points behind Marquez, and a race down on Rossi. They hadn't won for 25 races...Mav on the Suzuki (the only guy to win on it) rarely beat any Yamaha. Suzukis are routinely beating Yamahas now.
All that, and Maverick himself said the same.

Difference between Rossi and Maverick: when Rossi has a bad result, he says “We need to improve”. When Maverick has a bad result, he says “Yamaha should give me a better bike”.
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All that, and Maverick himself said the same.

Difference between Rossi and Maverick: when Rossi has a bad result, he says “We need to improve”. When Maverick has a bad result, he says “Yamaha should give me a better bike”.
Again they are both correct.

An admirable attitude from Rossi at age 39 no doubt, but developing a bike around a 39 year old rider no matter how great when he was 25 and how admirable his attitude in regard to improvement is pretty much inherently problematic imo.

The main knock on Vinales as a rider for me is him not being able to ride around whatever ails the bike/him in the early part of races. There have been numerous races where he has dropped way back and then had serious pace at the end of races; I am sure this is due to a problem with the bike/the bike's interaction with the tires but if you want to compete with MM you have to be able to ride around problems better than Vinales has shown himself able to do, although perhaps PI was a sign that he has progressed in this regard whether or not the bike is better.
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He's right. Mav is sitting 150 points behind Marquez, and a race down on Rossi. They hadn't won for 25 races...Mav on the Suzuki (the only guy to win on it) rarely beat any Yamaha. Suzukis are routinely beating Yamahas now.
What .... only now after nearly two yesrs are you seeing how fucked rossi has made the Yam.
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Again they are both correct.

An admirable attitude from Rossi at age 39 no doubt, but developing a bike around a 39 year old rider no matter how great when he was 25 and how admirable his attitude in regard to improvement is pretty much inherently problematic imo.

The main knock on Vinales as a rider for me is him not being able to ride around whatever ails the bike/him in the early part of races. There have been numerous races where he has dropped way back and then had serious pace at the end of races; I am sure this is due to a problem with the bike/the bike's interaction with the tires but if you want to compete with MM you have to be able to ride around problems better than Vinales has shown himself able to do, although perhaps PI was a sign that he has progressed in this regard whether or not the bike is better.
No one here has any definitive proof that Yamaha is building the bike around Rossi. This is just hearsay and repeating it over and over again doesn’t make it fact.

Fact: Rossi complained about certain things about the M1 since early 2017, complaints that eventually Vinales and Zarco started to echo.

Fact:The bike has some inherent problems that affect all riders.

Fact: If Yamaha was building a bike to make Rossi happy, he would be running rings around the rest.

Yamaha picked a spec based on Vinales’ input after his success in the pre-2017 tests. And it set them back by a couple of years.
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No one here has any definitive proof that Yamaha is building the bike around Rossi. This is just hearsay and repeating it over and over again doesn’t make it fact.

Fact: Rossi complained about certain things about the M1 since early 2017, complaints that eventually Vinales and Zarco started to echo.

Fact:The bike has some inherent problems that affect all riders.

Fact: If Yamaha was building a bike to make Rossi happy, he would be running rings around the rest.

Yamaha picked a spec based on Vinales’ input after his success in the pre-2017 tests. And it set them back by a couple of years.
So your response to me being non-factual in your opinion about whom the bike is being built around is to say Rossi would be running rings around the rest were the bike built around him even though he is 39 and has been nowhere near true contention for the title since 2015 ?, the latter two completely incontrovertible facts.

The spec of the bike Vinales may or may not have been responsible for (hard for him to be have had major responsibility for the 2017 Yamaha given he was riding for Suzuki until the end of the 2016 season I would have thought) was chosen if he did so when it was operating on tires which were removed early mid season, prior to which he won several races and was leading the championship. Valentino was very definitely influential in the tire change (please present your evidence for that tire change having helped Yamaha in 2017 btw) and Vinales got no support from Yamaha to keep “his” tire of which I am aware, as opposed to Honda very much going in to bat for Stoner in regard to the previous riders’ tire vote in 2012. It is admittedly an inference only, but as I have posted previously since the unfairness of such a tire change has since been recognised by the promulgation of a rule prohibiting such a change it might not have taken much effort on Yamaha’s part to secure the continuation of the original tire along with the new one.
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Once again, show me clear evidence of Yamaha building a bike clearly favoring Rossi. Not opinions, facts and evidence.

Easily verifiable from various on-record statements is that Rossi, Vinales and to an extent, Zarco have the same complaints about the bike, complaints that Rossi raised first.

Facts don’t bode well for the conspiracy theories.
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Once again, show me clear evidence of Yamaha building a bike clearly favoring Rossi. Not opinions, facts and evidence.

Easily verifiable from various on-record statements is that Rossi, Vinales and to an extent, Zarco have the same complaints about the bike, complaints that Rossi raised first.

Facts don’t bode well for the conspiracy theories.
As is your wont, you take what Vinales says as unvarnished truth when it suits you and ignore, indeed critiicise him, when it doesn’t and criticise others for speculating but frequently speculate yourself.

You have still never answered the question about the 2017 tire change and how it helped Yamaha, and I am positing no conspiracy theory here, nor contending Vinales is being sabotaged, merely inferring that Yamaha have a number 1 rider as they and many teams have presently and have had historically, and certainly has been Rossi’s preference throughout his career (second choice over no team-mate at all) and that it isn’t Vinales.
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Do not turn the argument to suit you, I was objecting to the urban legend that Yamaha keeps building a bike around Rossi. Refute that if you can, or don’t.
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