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November 1st, 2018, 01:03 PM   #41
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True, but then there is no way to make the GOAT assessment in any sport.
Touche, I wonder if Rossi is on drugs, he's old enough.
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Touche, I wonder if Rossi is on drugs, he's old enough.
Good, threat closed
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He is on drugs only on Sundays, this is how his Sunday miracle works, has worked over the years. There is virtually no dope testing in MotoGP.
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The best rider I ever saw was Mike Hailwood. He won in every class, on any bike, on every circuit. He normally won head to head with Agostini. (Ago won several of his championships when the major factories had retired from racing and he has a works MV. I remember the 1973 Ulster Grand Prix, when the rest had Manx Nortons and I had a home built Suzuki. Ago stayed with us a little while, then disappeared with his 30 hp more).

Mike went to cars, F1, and was fighting for the championship when he stopped to pull another driver from a burning car. Lost his chance of the championship, but won a George medal.

Retired, he was called by Ducati to ride in the Isle of Man. Won every race and broke records.

Take away electronics and traction control and which of the modern riders would survive a race on the IOM? The only one who impresses me is Marquez, but he falls off a lot, not advisable on a real circuit.
If they showed the place proper respect they'd do alright provided they could mentally hack the fact that there's immovable solid objects all over the place, they'd seriously have to alter the way they ride though.

Barry Sheene once said "forget what you've achieved anywhere else, it won't work there, that was my mistake and I could have paid for it"

Look at Danny Webb for instance, he'd blow all of those TT guys away on a GP circuit but he's nowhere near the pointy end on the island.
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The best rider I ever saw was Mike Hailwood. He won in every class, on any bike, on every circuit. He normally won head to head with Agostini. (Ago won several of his championships when the major factories had retired from racing and he has a works MV. I remember the 1973 Ulster Grand Prix, when the rest had Manx Nortons and I had a home built Suzuki. Ago stayed with us a little while, then disappeared with his 30 hp more).
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Did I read right? You competed in the '73 ulster GP?
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He is on drugs only on Sundays, this is how his Sunday miracle works, has worked over the years. There is virtually no dope testing in MotoGP.
If there was, he would fail for sure!
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I mentioned him, but how the fuck are you people not talking about Eddie Lawson. He won on three different manufacturers including the Cagiva. Multiple world titles, smooth as silk.
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I mentioned him, but how the fuck are you people not talking about Eddie Lawson. He won on three different manufacturers including the Cagiva. Multiple world titles, smooth as silk.
He is very definitely right up there, particularly given how dangerous the bikes, particularly the brutal Honda he mastered to win a title, were in his era.
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I mentioned him, but how the fuck are you people not talking about Eddie Lawson. He won on three different manufacturers including the Cagiva. Multiple world titles, smooth as silk.
Lawson doesn’t get much notice with the average fan because he hasn’t been much honored in print. He was a stand-offish loner who was indifferent to the press and all that entails. Rainey wrote a bit about Lawson’s being cold and distant - not a quality that endears one to the public.
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Lawson doesn’t get much notice with the average fan because he hasn’t been much honored in print. He was a stand-offish loner who was indifferent to the press and all that entails. Rainey wrote a bit about Lawson’s being cold and distant - not a quality that endears one to the public.
I actually like guys like Eddie Lawson who just go out there and race. All the media bullshit doesn't matter, it's about winning. Sort of like Stoner who wanted nothing more than to race and be left alone when not on the the track. I know it doesn't endear he or any rider to the public when they have that attitude but when you're risking life and limb on monstrous 2 stroke bikes, I am willing to cut some slack.

Rainey's autobiography is a great read. I bought a copy awhile back and it was engrossing to see how difficult his career was. I liked reading about his take with the Schwantz overtake at Hockenheim 1991. I never realized how out of shape Schwantz was when he made that move to overtake Rainey till Rainey talked about it.
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