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November 1st, 2018, 09:16 AM   #31
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The best rider I ever saw was Mike Hailwood. He won in every class, on any bike, on every circuit. He normally won head to head with Agostini. (Ago won several of his championships when the major factories had retired from racing and he has a works MV. I remember the 1973 Ulster Grand Prix, when the rest had Manx Nortons and I had a home built Suzuki. Ago stayed with us a little while, then disappeared with his 30 hp more).

Mike went to cars, F1, and was fighting for the championship when he stopped to pull another driver from a burning car. Lost his chance of the championship, but won a George medal.

Retired, he was called by Ducati to ride in the Isle of Man. Won every race and broke records.

Take away electronics and traction control and which of the modern riders would survive a race on the IOM? The only one who impresses me is Marquez, but he falls off a lot, not advisable on a real circuit.
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ok First of all it is next to near impossible to compare a person in any sport from one era to another. very simply stated you cant compare jim brown to say barry sanders. the game was totally different and so were the athletes. jim brown was as big as defensive lineman back then. today would he fair the same most people doubt it.

the way to do it is not compare each others stats to the competition of the era and see how they dominated that era.

for example you wouldnt compare joe dimagio to ken griffey jr. you would compare dimagio to say ted williams and see by how much they dominated their own era and compare griffey to his.

imo thats the best way to do it. that being said i always think the more current athlete makes advances over the previous one. its a given technology and training and competition are just better. the goat right now is Marc Marquez end of story.
Agreed but for motorsports it is a bit flawed as you would need to factor in how much better their equipment is. In other sports where the human is the equipment or the equipment isn't very different from competitor to competitor this is indeed way to assess the area GOAT. For example in F1 if you drive a Mercedes you will win if you have a Honda you will not yet the driver in the Honda can be 100x better than the Mercedes driver.
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ok First of all it is next to near impossible to compare a person in any sport from one era to another. very simply stated you cant compare jim brown to say barry sanders. the game was totally different and so were the athletes. jim brown was as big as defensive lineman back then. today would he fair the same most people doubt it.

the way to do it is not compare each others stats to the competition of the era and see how they dominated that era.

for example you wouldnt compare joe dimagio to ken griffey jr. you would compare dimagio to say ted williams and see by how much they dominated their own era and compare griffey to his.

imo thats the best way to do it. that being said i always think the more current athlete makes advances over the previous one. its a given technology and training and competition are just better. the goat right now is Marc Marquez end of story.
Jim Brown was as big as a lot of d lineman in those days, but what separated him was the speed and agility he had over those guys his same size. He was the first powerback who could run away from db’s. Dude was a fucking monster.
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Jim Brown was as big as a lot of d lineman in those days, but what separated him was the speed and agility he had over those guys his same size. He was the first powerback who could run away from db’s. Dude was a fucking monster.
yes he was and he also lettered in 5 sports. probably the best pure athlete ever.
my point however is the lineman and linebackers now are just as agile as he was back then. he would not have the advantage on todays players thus a different outcome. the lineman are way bigger and linebackers may be faster than he was back then. game is just different
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yes he was and he also lettered in 5 sports. probably the best pure athlete ever.
my point however is the lineman and linebackers now are just as agile as he was back then. he would not have the advantage on todays players thus a different outcome. the lineman are way bigger and linebackers may be faster than he was back then. game is just different
He would be Herschel or Bo in today’s game . 230-240 pound running backs with 4.3- 4.4 speed would do well in any era and he ran with more wreckless abandon than either of them.
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He would be Herschel or Bo in today’s game . 230-240 pound running backs with 4.3- 4.4 speed would do well in any era and he ran with more wreckless abandon than either of them.
JB is in the hall of fame walker created the dallas dynasty and did nothing for MN and bo could have been great but did nothing unless you used bo in techmo bowl. im not saying JB wouldnt have been great but he wouldnt have dominated like he did back then.
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As a Brit I only know Jim Brown from The Running Man

"How about a light?"

BOOM!
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As a Brit I only know Jim Brown from The Running Man

"How about a light?"

BOOM!
Pull up some video. As a DB or even a linebacker , taking him head on was what they call a “ business decision”. He would run thru you, over you, or around you depending on how committed you were to tackle him.
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Agreed but for motorsports there it is a bit flawed as you would need to factor in how much better their equipment is. In other sports where the human is the equipment or the equipment this way to comparing it is, from my point of view, correct but in motorsports if one has a Mercedes you will win if you have a Honda you will not yet the driver in the Honda can be 100x better than the Mercedes driver.
Sorry I cannot agree about humans in sport as being comparable, especially in most sports where the abuse of illegal substances is rife, everytime I watch anything like the Olympics and its winners, my mind automatically screams Junkie.
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Sorry I cannot agree about humans in sport as being comparable, especially in most sports where the abuse of illegal substances is rife, everytime I watch anything like the Olympics and its winners, my mind automatically screams Junkie.
True, but then there is no way to make the GOAT assessment in any sport.
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