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October 1st, 2018, 04:16 PM   #41
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I don't think the two strokes had traction control, compared to say late 80/early 90's they had softer engines due to a mixture of big bang, ECU's and less potent fuel.

Think it was mid way through 2002 when TC came along.
Mick Doohan said in an interview that TC and engine mapping were already there in his days. Albeit rudimentary.
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October 1st, 2018, 06:34 PM   #42
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Very rudimentary.
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Very rudimentary.
Not as rudimentary as folk would think. Lets face it EFI needs a map and they wouldnt have gone and bought an off the shelf preprogrammed module ..... for a car say.
CDI units have been capable since the 70s .... why would gp not have had them?

Real advancements have been made in the software though .... as clock speeds and memory have skyrocketted in that time. The only real sensor inovations have been in GPS ..... which they arent supposed to use. Other sensors were out there but they have got more compact.
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October 1st, 2018, 11:12 PM   #44
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Mick Doohan said in an interview that TC and engine mapping were already there in his days. Albeit rudimentary.
I know engine mapping was there but not TC.

To be honest I don't think it makes much of a difference, look at BSB when they banned rider aids in 2012, it didn't stop the same riders from winning.
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I know engine mapping was there but not TC.

To be honest I don't think it makes much of a difference, look at BSB when they banned rider aids in 2012, it didn't stop the same riders from winning.
Why do you think no TC?

Doohan suggested this was a point of development during his era. Though not as intrusive as modern systems.
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October 2nd, 2018, 12:27 AM   #46
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Why do you think no TC?

Doohan suggested this was a point of development during his era. Though not as intrusive as modern systems.
I didn't think there was, I'm happy to be corrected though.

I'm actually one of the people who thinks TC makes a bike harder to ride or should I say harder to set up.
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I'm actually one of the people who thinks TC makes a bike harder to ride or should I say harder to set up.
Harder to set up ...... yes.

Harder to ride hard Id think.
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Harder to set up ...... yes.

Harder to ride hard Id think.
Harder to ride proper hard with no TC.

For street easier (read safer) though it gives a false confidence in my opinion.

ABS though, is awesome.
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Harder to ride proper hard with no TC.

For street easier (read safer) though it gives a false confidence in my opinion.

ABS though, is awesome.
Ha .... ABS!!! I reckon it should be banned! The most dangerous thing ever.

Switchable ( non programmable ) TC is pretty shockibg too ..... well thst was my experience with it .... on a Super Tenere on a steep trail.
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When you get tired of the needless hostility and insults - put 'em on ignore. Then more of us can concentrate on what we came here for: talking racing. Really, you'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner.
It's been a lot better in here lately, much more enjoyable since a few members put other members on the ignore list. Thank you
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