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September 24th, 2018, 02:10 AM   #31
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A genetic lottery which seems to have gifted you with the capacity to be wrong about gp bike racing most of the time.
Please don't quote him, it only encourages him.
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Didn't Mav re-sign with Yamaha again, knowing you are there for the long haul in the current climate wouldnt be easy... Tech 3 got fed up being served old versions of shit bikes and you cant really blame Herve. The KTM may not be a better bike now/or even next year but at least they're factory have deep pockets and aren't afraid to try new things and have a go. Yamaha seem so conservative that to even change the bikes paint scheme too dramatically would make them nervous.
Tech 3 have consistently had the best satellite bike on the grid, if not this year.

Bradley Smith finished 6th on the Tech3 in 2015 (ask yourself where he is finishing on the factory KTM...), Zarco finished 6th in 2017 (as a rookie), Colin finished 5th in 2009, Spies finished 6th on a full factory bike in 2010, Dovi was 4th in 2012, Cal was 5th in 2013, Pol was 6th in 2014...

From where I'm standing, those results are the best for any satellite team on the grid, and consistently so.
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I have put that lowlife on ignore a few weeks ago, 90% of his posts are just pointless schoolyard insults and the other 10% are 'below the belt' vile insults that reflect just what a gutless piece off human garbage he is. Either way he just clogs up threads with personal insults.

He wouldnt have the guts to say many, if any of his vile insults to the recipients face in person, nothing but a coward keyboard warrior.

Putting him on ignore is the right thing to do, the more you mix with shit the more you end up smelling. Best to not even bring him up, he really isn't even worth the time and thought.
Exactly. Guys like that, negative attention is the same as positive attention. Either way, they get what they want.
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Tech 3 have consistently had the best satellite bike on the grid, if not this year.

Bradley Smith finished 6th on the Tech3 in 2015 (ask yourself where he is finishing on the factory KTM...), Zarco finished 6th in 2017 (as a rookie), Colin finished 5th in 2009, Spies finished 6th on a full factory bike in 2010, Dovi was 4th in 2012, Cal was 5th in 2013, Pol was 6th in 2014...

From where I'm standing, those results are the best for any satellite team on the grid, and consistently so.
Let's be honest though Smith had one decent season on as you said the best sattelite bike on the grid and finished 6th at a time his package was better than Ducatis factory package. All the other guys you mentioned other than Pol had more podiums than him in less time on the bike. 2015 was very different to 2017-2018 now with at least 8 competitive factory machines most weekends. Ducati giving excellent support to their sattelite teams I would think makes it harder for a new factory as well. This year he is still behind Pol who has missed like 4 races and will probably miss most of the remaining season but will probably still finish ahead of Smith.

I thought it was a strange decision for KTM to hire the two guys that almost lost Herve his Monster sponsorship but with Zarco on board next year we will find out if it's the bike that sucks or if it's the riders holding it back.
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Let's be honest though Smith had one decent season on as you said the best sattelite bike on the grid and finished 6th at a time his package was better than Ducatis factory package. All the other guys you mentioned other than Pol had more podiums than him in less time on the bike. 2015 was very different to 2017-2018 now with at least 8 competitive factory machines most weekends. Ducati giving excellent support to their sattelite teams I would think makes it harder for a new factory as well. This year he is still behind Pol who has missed like 4 races and will probably miss most of the remaining season but will probably still finish ahead of Smith.

I thought it was a strange decision for KTM to hire the two guys that almost lost Herve his Monster sponsorship but with Zarco on board next year we will find out if it's the bike that sucks or if it's the riders holding it back.
Agreed - my point was more than the Tech 3 Yamaha has probably the best history of results for a satellite team on the grid (which it seems we agree on).

Zarco is a fantastic signing for KTM. We'll see where the bike is at soon enough.
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Tech 3 have consistently had the best satellite bike on the grid, if not this year.

Bradley Smith finished 6th on the Tech3 in 2015 (ask yourself where he is finishing on the factory KTM...), Zarco finished 6th in 2017 (as a rookie), Colin finished 5th in 2009, Spies finished 6th on a full factory bike in 2010, Dovi was 4th in 2012, Cal was 5th in 2013, Pol was 6th in 2014...

From where I'm standing, those results are the best for any satellite team on the grid, and consistently so.
You're right, in the past the Satellite Yamaha's have been very strong bikes. But up until a couple of years ago it was more or less a two horse race. Before the introduction of unified electronics, software, winglets, Michelin control tyres etc. There was a vast performance deficit between the factory Yamaha's and Honda's when compared to pretty much everything else on the grid. Being on a 'year old' ex factory Yamaha or Honda was a better deal than being on a Factory Ducati but that has all changed.

With the new rules the racing is getting closer and tighter. Watching the Yamaha bikes get worse from 2016 to 2017 to 2018 is no comforting feeling as a Satellite team owner, knowing that your new bike is going to be worse than the one you currently run.
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Some comments from Lin Jarvis after Aragon from an Italian article, translated below.

https://motograndprix.motorionline.c...come-nel-2004/

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MotoGP Gp Aragon Race - With the Grand Prix of Aragon the number of races without wins of the Yamaha salt, registering a new record negative. Twenty-three races without climbing the top step of the podium is the worst result ever recorded by Iwata's home.

The record itself would not have much weight if at least one Yamaha had come to play for the podium, it becomes a boulder when the best M1 under the checkered flag is that of Valentino Rossi in eighth position.

At the end of the race, Lin Jarvis, Managing Director of yamaha said: "For 2019 we did Aragon a test to test the new engine. Now we are working on electronics at all times. Hard to say when the new bike will arrive, but the next test will be after the Valencia race. We can not get to the next season in this situation, so now we still have 4 or 5 months to develop the bike. I can not say that we will make a distortion like in 2004, because in that case it was different. We have to make major investments and we need new ideas. This means that we will also have new engineers. We are in crisis. "
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Correct me if I'm wrong.

Inline four - Yamaha and Suzuki
Electronics - same for Yamaha and Suzuki
Yellow smog - only Yamaha

So what is the crucial factor making the difference?
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Correct me if I'm wrong.

Inline four - Yamaha and Suzuki
Electronics - same for Yamaha and Suzuki
Yellow smog - only Yamaha

So what is the crucial factor making the difference?
Electronics hardware: same for both.

Calibration: done by factories themselves.

Not to mention a thousand other variables such as geometry, metallurgy, density and mass of individual parts etc etc that could make crucial differences.

But I am sure our armchair experts will know better.
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Yamaha has just not been able to keep up with Ducati and Honda in terms of development and engineering... and its only a matter of time before KTM surpass Yamaha (Suzuki seems to have already done so).
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