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September 13th, 2018, 01:14 PM   #31
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Anything's possible. It's too easy however to assume his gains are due to mechanical factors, rather than Dovi fine-tuning his riding style as a result of insights resulting from long experience with bike and team, all of which were gifted to Lorenzo who's been painfully slow to exploit same.
I don’t have the answer to the question myself, but how exactly can “long experience with bike and team” be gifted to any rider?

I’d say on the contrary that Lorenzo’s learning curve to consistently challenge on the Duc has been much shorter and sharper than Dovi’s, although he obviously is not going to deliver a championship on the bike in the two years allotted to him.
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I believe he mentioned to all comers that he'd be at Misano - no-one took him up on it.
You honestly believe anyone would spend good money just to meet this putz?
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He is unlikely to win another title, but when Synn says the same about Dovi, everyone goes berserk. That's the double standard he's exposing, and rather clearly, I would add.
Please show an example of anyone going berserk over this rather obvious truth.
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You honestly believe anyone would spend good money just to meet this putz?
You have none, methhead. Leave it to others who have some.
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He is unlikely to win another title, but when Synn says the same about Dovi, everyone goes berserk. That's the double standard he's exposing, and rather clearly, I would add.
No-one is likely to win a title for a while barring injury to MM, as it seems unlikely he will repeat 2015 and start throwing his bike down the road every second race again any time soon.

I would say Dovi is rather more chance than Rossi however, he is 7 years younger, riding at his peak and has a very good bike, and on general principles would seem likely to have a better bike next year when Rossi will be 40 given the German money and Gigi, unless Jorge’s input really has been crucial. Unless Petrucci does a Stoner he will be a number 1 rider with Ducati’s entire focus as well. Rossi IMO needs things to go wrong for too many other riders to win the title at this stage in his career with Yamaha operating as they currently operate, particularly given Furusawa is not going to unretire.

Most people on here are prepared to debate matters motogp and the virtues of their favourite riders without immediately resorting to peurile pre-kindergarten level attempted personal attacks; you and i disagree about many things for instance but mostly manage to have rational and reasonably cordial discussions about those things. I have made clear my reasons for disliking Rossi himself, rather than just an element among his fanbase, since Sepang 2015 which are nothing to do with the quality of riding, he was obviously an all time great of the sport at his peak and is still remarkably good at the age of rising 40. Even the most casual observer of his career surely can't contend that unfair lack of recognition, by fans, the media, officialdom or even the owners of the sport has been at all a defining feature of that career, while Rossi's fans with what I now believe to be his full collusion and indeed probably orchestrated by him have attempted to make the lives of pretty much all of his significant competitors miserable, successfully in some cases; no-one deserves to be vilified for being good at their job, which in this context involves winning world titles or going as close as possible to doing so.
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I believe he mentioned to all comers that he'd be at Misano - no-one took him up on it.
Yes no one spending $1000s of dollars to go and fight Synn at a place he was already going means they're chicken shit. I would think you would be smarter than that but I guess not, your defence for Synn has become as borderline psychotic as his defence of Rossi. I also offered him to come to the Island where I was planning to be but he refused. Is he a chickenshit too?
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You have none, methhead. Leave it to others who have some.
More pertainent, do you believe Kesh also can't afford to travel to Italy?
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Yes no one spending $1000s of dollars to go and fight Synn at a place he was already going means they're chicken shit. I would think you would be smarter than that but I guess not, your defence for Synn has become as borderline psychotic as his defence of Rossi. I also offered him to come to the Island where I was planning to be but he refused. Is he a chickenshit too?
Invited to NY and didn't show = double chickenshit.
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I don't think Dovi would beat Mav or VR on the Yamaha, or MM on the Honda over a season, but I'm just guessing.
I disagree. The Dovi Yamaha package also worked well. He dominated Crutchlow when they were teammates. I don't think Dovi would have any problem beating Valentino or even Maverick on the Yamaha.
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I don’t have the answer to the question myself, but how exactly can “long experience with bike and team” be gifted to any rider?

I’d say on the contrary that Lorenzo’s learning curve to consistently challenge on the Duc has been much shorter and sharper than Dovi’s, although he obviously is not going to deliver a championship on the bike in the two years allotted to him.
The end results of all that hard work, (not to mention Dovi's settings) was Lorenzo jumping onto a much refined bike that most riders, given the choice, prefer over the offering from HRC. Lorenzo's "learning curve" can hardly be described as sharp. The first season it was a flat-line. That Dovi may not win a championship is a testament to MM's youth and natural talent, and not any defficiency on Dovi's part.

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