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September 14th, 2018, 11:19 AM   #41
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Well you definitely seem to have learned all about developing racing prototypes working at a shoe factory in Vladivostok, comrade!
How many bikes has Rossi helped developed correctly without Lorenzo on a control tyre?
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How many bikes has Rossi helped developed correctly without Lorenzo on a control tyre?
Can you describe what “Developing” involves?
Everyone here throws that term around. Do you know what that actually means?
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Can you describe what “Developing” involves?
Everyone here throws that term around. Do you know what that actually means?
Define "actually".
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September 14th, 2018, 01:33 PM   #44
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How many bikes has Rossi helped developed correctly without Lorenzo on a control tyre?
RC211V, every Yamaha M1 until 2010. In other words, 7 premier class titles worth of development.

Furusawa himself at the time of retirement said Lorenzo (at that time) wasn't helpful for bike development. He also called Rossi a bike development "genius".

But I suppose you know more than Furusawa.
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RC211V, every Yamaha M1 until 2010. In other words, 7 premier class titles worth of development.

Furusawa himself at the time of retirement said Lorenzo (at that time) wasn't helpful for bike development. He also called Rossi a bike development "genius".

But I suppose you know more than Furusawa.
Riders don't "develop" shit. They give good or bad feedback, period. All this genius rider development talk is nothing more than hyperbolic promo softsoap for the ravenously story-hungry press. This kind of small-talk press-kit nonsense has informational value equivalent to the responses to dumbasses who walk along pitlane and ask, so what is your strategy for the race today? The fan-bois eat it up. End of.

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Riders don't "develop" shit. They give good or bad feedback, period. All this genius rider development talk is nothing more than hyperbolic promo softsoap for the ravenously story-hungry press. This kind of small-talk press-kit nonsense has informational value equivalent to the responses to dumbasses who walk along pitlane and ask, so what is your strategy for the race today? The fan-bois eat it up. End of.
Exactly,the only things Rossi is a genius at are whining,manipulating the media, merchandising and selling t shirts to muppets.
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Exactly,the only things Rossi is a genius at are whining,manipulating the media, merchandising and selling t shirts to muppets.
Not true of prime Rossi, who was a great rider, and current Rossi is still remarkably good as a rider for a 39 year old.

As I have said however, I can’t see how Yamaha basically placing all their title hopes with a 39 year old is a good strategy, particularly against at least 1 and possibly 2 other all time great riders who are much younger, and with Ducati as well as HRC having a competitive bike

He has always been a whiner and a media manipulator though I agree, including during his glory years imo, although like most others that wasn’t my perception of him at the time.
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Can't say I feel sorry for them and their woe's. It's all self inflicted! Those quarterly corporate meeting has to be frosty between the finance dept and marketing dept.


Maybe Honda will have to include the r1 & r6 in their manufacturing, along with the smaller bikes they are already making for yamaha.
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/new...s-catastrophe/


Not a bad move since they will need to make a v4 for flopsy. Got to get the money any way they can.
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/new...rters-georgia/
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Can't say I feel sorry for them and their woe's. It's all self inflicted! Those quarterly corporate meeting has to be frosty between the finance dept and marketing dept.


Not a bad move since they will need to make a v4 for flopsy. Got to get the money any way they can.
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/new...rters-georgia/
Looks like flopsy on the right there in the vid, with his hand cranker on the left after a few lost meals.
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RC211V, every Yamaha M1 until 2010. In other words, 7 premier class titles worth of development.

Furusawa himself at the time of retirement said Lorenzo (at that time) wasn't helpful for bike development. He also called Rossi a bike development "genius".

But I suppose you know more than Furusawa.
Ahhhhh no.
I said with a control tyre without Lorenzo. The scores on the board for Rossi though, no special tyres = no longer development god.
Rossi left Yamaha, Yamaha still championship winning bike with Lorenzo.
Lorenzo leaves Yamaha, Yamaha goes backwards and reverts to the last chassis he had input in.
Rossi goes to Ducati, Ducati goes backwards so far it would be another 5-6 seasons until they win another race.
Lorenzo goes to Ducati and Ducati in the time he is there becomes the clear best bike on the grid.

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