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September 11th, 2018, 10:38 PM   #11
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Lets face it Lorenzo would still be up the front on the current Yam. The problem is rossi.
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Lets face it Lorenzo would still be nearer to the front on the current Yam, than Vinales and Rossi currently are managing. The problem is rossi.
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September 11th, 2018, 11:46 PM   #13
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He might be expressive, but I don't think his performance on any other bike suggests that his temperament is an issue. It seems that the current Yamaha is a temperamental bike.
If memory is right, many of the issues seemed to occur or at least appear with the tyre changes of last season as MV was simply destroying the field (MM included) early on, then tyre change and then the issues arose with MV and seemingly were further exacerbated for VR.

Certainly there has to be something with the bike, but one also has to wonder if it is something simple that is missing rather than a complete and full redesign as to change to a V configuration will then bring with it, a full redesign of every aspect which will likely then mean further time to bring things to speed. I mean, Lorenzo was turned around by the fuel tank solution on the Ducati so could it genuinely be something simple that either has not been found or not believed?

IMO here, but a change to a V configuration sounds like a dummy spit frustrated reaction which generally does not work out well in a short term
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If memory is right, many of the issues seemed to occur or at least appear with the tyre changes of last season as MV was simply destroying the field (MM included) early on, then tyre change and then the issues arose with MV and seemingly were further exacerbated for VR.

Certainly there has to be something with the bike, but one also has to wonder if it is something simple that is missing rather than a complete and full redesign as to change to a V configuration will then bring with it, a full redesign of every aspect which will likely then mean further time to bring things to speed. I mean, Lorenzo was turned around by the fuel tank solution on the Ducati so could it genuinely be something simple that either has not been found or not believed?

IMO here, but a change to a V configuration sounds like a dummy spit frustrated reaction which generally does not work out well in a short term
Keep in mind, none of the actual quotes from Rossi say that ďHe wants a V4Ē.
They are more like ďHonda and Ducati learned how to make friendlier power delivery like Yamaha. Maybe a V4 will make us competitive again, I donít knowĒ.

But as usual, the mouthbreathers here read what they want to read.

Anyway... Considering that they have more experience than Rossi on V4, V5 and in-line 4 engines, we definitely should take their opinion over Rossiís.
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September 12th, 2018, 12:10 AM   #15
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Keep in mind, none of the actual quotes from Rossi say that ďHe wants a V4Ē.
They are more like ďHonda and Ducati learned how to make friendlier power delivery like Yamaha. Maybe a V4 will make us competitive again, I donít knowĒ.

But as usual, the mouthbreathers here read what they want to read.

Anyway... Considering that they have more experience than Rossi on V4, V5 and in-line 4 engines, we definitely should take their opinion over Rossiís.
My comment is a general comment as I have seen this same story reported under two headlines (1 x Rossi wants a V4, 1 x Yamaha looking at V4).

To me, making decisions based on frustrations rarely, if ever end well as decisions of this nature need to be well considered and to throw out the history , data and skills of an I4 would need to be very well considered first
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I agree with Gaz in that the problems seemed to have cropped up post the tyre changes. With that being said, it would suggest that the problem may not necessarily be solved by huge change like a total alteration of engine config and may well just be a series of 'tweaks'. Having said that, I don't for a second want to come across as saying that it would be easily solved, quite the opposite. Just that they had a winning package that went off the boil following a known change, so that, at least gives a starting point.
I realize that they would be working on this anyway, but opening up a European test program is a good place to start and is, unfortunately a bit behind the other big manufacturers.

I also agree with Synn's take on what Vale said, in that Vale was just saying about how the other manufacturers have made a friendly power delivery system, not "I WANT A V4, NOW!!!!"
Given that the most obvious woe for the Yam's is acceleration/getting the power to the black stuff, it's a pretty fair statement.
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Piefuck is an expert at getting his arse handed to him.
I even wrap it up nicely every time I do that.
Yeah, we know you are the back door boy around here.
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I agree with Gaz in that the problems seemed to have cropped up post the tyre changes. With that being said, it would suggest that the problem may not necessarily be solved by huge change like a total alteration of engine config and may well just be a series of 'tweaks'. Having said that, I don't for a second want to come across as saying that it would be easily solved, quite the opposite. Just that they had a winning package that went off the boil following a known change, so that, at least gives a starting point.
I realize that they would be working on this anyway, but opening up a European test program is a good place to start and is, unfortunately a bit behind the other big manufacturers.

I also agree with Synn's take on what Vale said, in that Vale was just saying about how the other manufacturers have made a friendly power delivery system, not "I WANT A V4, NOW!!!!"
Given that the most obvious woe for the Yam's is acceleration/getting the power to the black stuff, it's a pretty fair statement.
He does have form though as the OP implied, having very definitely asked for a V4 last time a Ducati rider was faster than he was on a Yamaha, although it was only one rider then as opposed to two now.

As I have said, I donít think vesting everything in a rider who is rising 40 and whatever crew chief he can find who will continue to stroke his ego is a smart choice by Yamaha, certainly not in the short to medium term anyway. I am
happy for Rossi to be out there enjoying still being vaguely competitive at what he loves doing as seemed to be the case when he first returned to Yamaha in 2013, but not with all the continuing manipulation and whinging on the assumption that he is still the rider he was in his heyday, I donít believe his current course/attitude is in the Yamaha factory teamís best interests other than perhaps for sponsorship benefits, and his obvious deep resentment of a competitor who at his current age of 25 is probably at least as good as Rossi was in his heyday when he was 25 himself is rather unedifying.
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Yeah, we know you are the back door boy around here.
Be careful not to rile him too much,he'll send the taliban round to sort you out.
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He does have form though as the OP implied, having very definitely asked for a V4 last time a Ducati rider was faster than he was on a Yamaha, although it was only one rider then as opposed to two now.

As I have said, I donít think vesting everything in a rider who is rising 40 and whatever crew chief he can find who will continue to stroke his ego is a smart choice by Yamaha, certainly not in the short to medium term anyway. I am
happy for Rossi to be out there enjoying still being vaguely competitive at what he loves doing as seemed to be the case when he first returned to Yamaha in 2013, but not with all the continuing manipulation and whinging on the assumption that he is still the rider he was in his heyday, I donít believe his current course/attitude is in the Yamaha factory teamís best interests other than perhaps for sponsorship benefits, and his obvious deep resentment of a competitor who at his current age of 25 is probably at least as good as Rossi was in his heyday when he was 25 himself is rather unedifying.
In my opinion Marquez is a far more talented rider than Rossi was in his heyday and will go on to eclipse him in titles,i've never seen anyone with the reactions that Marquez possesses,the guy is a freak on a motorcycle and i wish he had been able to race Stoner on the same bike,another hugely talented rider,i agree that Yamaha shouldn't be pandering to Rossi at his age as he's all but finished and has no chance of another world title,they'd be better off accommodating Vinales and building a machine around him,these days Rossi only excels at selling t shirts and baseball caps and 1 off helmet designs to come 7th or 8th.
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