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August 25th, 2018, 02:30 AM   #51
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I reckon it's a stick on he'll be on it at some point in his career.
Basing it on absolute nothing, my theory is MM will be on the move after this contract extension hence Honda signed up Lorenzo and are willing to go in 2 development directions next year. Pretty sure somone on here said that was the case.

Ducati and MM are made for each other.
Aleix thinks so as well. He says with the braking prowess of Marquez , the braking stability of the Duc combined with the acceleration and top speed of the Duc, they would be virtually unbeatable.


“When we pointed out that there was a Honda leading the championship, Espargaro's reply was telling. "But the championship is led by Márquez," he corrected us. "Cal Crutchlow is for me a very, very good rider, and he's very far from Marc. So the question is, what happens if you give the Ducati to number 93?" Would it matter what bike Márquez had? "Not any bike, but with the stability of the Ducati on the brakes, and we know how strong he is on the brakes, and with that engine? 19 in a row?"
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something really interesting IMHO are the words that MM lately has for the Ducatis (the bikes, not the riders) in the Italian interviews. Both after Brno and after Austria, but also in some interviews separated from the races, he has underlined how fast and stable the Ducatis seem in the entrance of the turns as well as the fact that they can bring more speed out of the corners (aka they have more acceleration). He also stated many times that he still considers Dovi his main rival for race wins even tho he's way behind him in the championship standings.

Add to the equation 3 more things that will sure be in Marc's head at some point: he is unhappy with Honda hiring Jorge, Ducati could potentially pay him even more than they are paying Jorge, if he really thinks Dovi is his most dangerous rival what would be better than getting on his same bike to beat him?

In one sentence: yes, I nowadays am more convinced that he may go to Ducati when his current HRC contract will be up.
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something really interesting IMHO are the words that MM lately has for the Ducatis (the bikes, not the riders) in the Italian interviews. Both after Brno and after Austria, but also in some interviews separated from the races, he has underlined how fast and stable the Ducatis seem in the entrance of the turns as well as the fact that they can bring more speed out of the corners (aka they have more acceleration). He also stated many times that he still considers Dovi his main rival for race wins even tho he's way behind him in the championship standings.

Add to the equation 3 more things that will sure be in Marc's head at some point: he is unhappy with Honda hiring Jorge, Ducati could potentially pay him even more than they are paying Jorge, if he really thinks Dovi is his most dangerous rival what would be better than getting on his same bike to beat him?

In one sentence: yes, I nowadays am more convinced that he may go to Ducati when his current HRC contract will be up.
He actually said he was unhappy about Lorenzo's hiring?
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He actually said he was unhappy about Lorenzo's hiring?
It seems contradictory that he would be worried about Lorenzo joining Honda yet consider Dovi a bigger threat than Jorge.

I personally don't think he is worried by any other rider.

He has an acute sense of history and has emulated the Corkscrew incident, the Jerez 2005 last corner pass, and perhaps Motegi 2010, so I can't see him not going for the titles for multiple marques thing at some stage, although he might not assay this till he has 7/9 titles or whatever. Unless KTM advance more rapidly than seems likely, Ducati are the option, and may even be prepared to pay him as has been said. Hell freezes over before he goes to Yamaha, or he and Valentino become friends, I would anticipate.

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I personally don't think he is worried by any other rider.

He has an acute sense of history and has emulated the Corkscrew incident, the Jerez 2005 last corner pass, and perhaps Motegi 2010, so I can't see him not going for the titles for multiple marques thing at some stage, although he might not assay this till he has 7/9 titles or whatever. Unless KTM advance more rapidly than seems likely, Ducati are the option, and may even be prepared to pay him as has been said. Hell freezes over before he goes to Yamaha, or he and Valentino become friends, I would anticipate.
Not sure that one rules out the other. Given Lorenzo's resurgent competitiveness he can be expected to take needed points away next year. He's sure to be more of a distraction than Pedrosa who's been practically a non-entity the last two seasons. If Ducati continues to improve no reason to think Dovi won't make the most of available innovations and refinements. Not saying MM is "afraid" but certainly could be concerned from a tactical point of view.
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Guy's you are making it sound as if the RCV213 development has come to a stand still. What if the 2019 release is a match & more for the Ducati? We have already seen the acceleration gap is pretty much gone. The slipstream at the ring shows that. HRC is by far quicker than any of the other MFG on bringing changes/refinement/upgrades. Not saying Marc would not want to try another brand as time goes on. But what if the 2019 RCV is the halo bike like the original RCV?

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Guy's you are making it sound as if the RCV213 development has come to a stand still. What if the 2019 release is a match & more for the Ducati? We have already seen the acceleration gap is pretty much gone. The slipstream at the ring shows that. HRC is by far quicker than any of the other MFG on bringing changes/refinement/upgrades. Not saying Marc would not want to try another brand as time goes on. But what if the 2019 RCV is the halo bike like the original RCV?
We're not so much in a what if dialog. No doubt every maker will strive to improve, it's a given. Honda is known for frequently making changes over the winter that are more interesting to the techs than useful to the riders, Ducati tho, has been going from strength to strength since Gigi came on deck.
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He actually said he was unhappy about Lorenzo's hiring?

he did not, but IMHO is rather easy to assume that he indeed isn't too happy.


Lorenzo is an extremely tough rider, as of today he is also the only one that was able to win a title in the Marquez era, but more importantly HRC hiring Lorenzo is the ultimate proof that Honda is NOT Marquez-centric, as many people have believed. He also gets a lot of media attention (especially if compared to Pedrosa) which will surely change some dinamics in how the HRC sponsors will handle (and pay) their riders.

Don't get me wrong I am beyond thrilled for the MM/JL HRC roster but like I said, I doubt MM is as well just my 2 cents as usual, obviously.
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Honda will do everything to keep him from staying
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he did not, but IMHO is rather easy to assume that he indeed isn't too happy.


Lorenzo is an extremely tough rider, as of today he is also the only one that was able to win a title in the Marquez era, but more importantly HRC hiring Lorenzo is the ultimate proof that Honda is NOT Marquez-centric, as many people have believed. He also gets a lot of media attention (especially if compared to Pedrosa) which will surely change some dinamics in how the HRC sponsors will handle (and pay) their riders.

Don't get me wrong I am beyond thrilled for the MM/JL HRC roster but like I said, I doubt MM is as well just my 2 cents as usual, obviously.
I could be wrong but for some reason I thought Pedrosa and Marc ran slightly different versions of the bike from one another. I’m not sure if those differences run deeper than side fairings and fuel tanks but maybe Honda see value in Lorenzo helping to guide the development direction of future iterations of the RCV, making them less Marcentric?
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