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August 2nd, 2018, 07:42 AM   #41
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Miller has been on a Honda recently so we know that he likes the Ducati better; Dovi has ridden all those bikes with good results in the circumstances, and even if it was years ago I think he could still be competitive on all. Petrucci... yes, he should probably stick to Ducati. Or perhaps KTM in 2020-21.
Yes, and Rabat too.

Dovi was very good on the Yamaha and Honda, but he was never battling for championships or taking six wins a season. I doubt his 2017 would have been so strong on a Honda or Yamaha.
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Yes, and Rabat too.

Dovi was very good on the Yamaha and Honda, but he was never battling for championships or taking six wins a season. I doubt his 2017 would have been so strong on a Honda or Yamaha.
Very good? I'd argue in fact he was rather ordinary. I've said it late last yr and I'll say it again; 2017 was a perfect storm for Dovi, and while no GP rider is a slouch, he won't get that close to a championship again. He enjoyed the underdog status last yr, and this year we have seen him crash out of numerous races, including one he was leading.

While everyone was quick to say "I always rated him" last yr, especially when he was wiping the floor with Lorenzo, they forgot that in the 9 previous seasons he has won one race, and finished 3rd in the championship in 2012. While his current team mate racked up 3 world championships, 2 of those while Dovi was on a (Factory) Honda and Yamaha, and 44 race wins. He was beaten by all his team mates in all but one year on the Repsol, including 2009 where he was also beaten by a satellite Yamaha, and soundly trounced by Stoner on his debut year on the Repsol in 2011.
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Very good? I'd argue in fact he was rather ordinary. I've said it late last yr and I'll say it again; 2017 was a perfect storm for Dovi, and while no GP rider is a slouch, he won't get that close to a championship again. He enjoyed the underdog status last yr, and this year we have seen him crash out of numerous races, including one he was leading.
It depends, I guess, on what you expect. Even on the Repsol Honda, he was against some of the greatest riders of all time in Rossi, Lorenzo, Stoner and Pedrosa. He couldn't match them, but he was the only guy that could time to time challenge them (although usually not successfully).

He did quite well on the Tech 3, considering it was a satellite bike.

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While everyone was quick to say "I always rated him" last yr, especially when he was wiping the floor with Lorenzo, they forgot that in the 9 previous seasons he has won one race, and finished 3rd in the championship in 2012. While his current team mate racked up 3 world championships, 2 of those while Dovi was on a (Factory) Honda and Yamaha, and 44 race wins. He was beaten by all his team mates in all but one year on the Repsol, including 2009 where he was also beaten by a satellite Yamaha, and soundly trounced by Stoner on his debut year on the Repsol in 2011.
Agree that he's not in the same league as Stoner, Rossi, Pedrosa, Marquez and Lorenzo, but I think he's generally been best of the rest.
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Dovi did do well on the Tech 3 bike RCV, but was there not some dispute between him and Crutchlow because Dovi bought his own upgrades to the brakes on the bike?
If Dovi had not had these upgrades would he have finished above Cal that year, letís not forget that Cal had a good year too.
All the riders are great in my eyes for even reaching world championships racing status. I hate it when they start calling each other. The press goad them far too much in an effort to create discord between them.
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Very good? I'd argue in fact he was rather ordinary. I've said it late last yr and I'll say it again; 2017 was a perfect storm for Dovi, and while no GP rider is a slouch, he won't get that close to a championship again. He enjoyed the underdog status last yr, and this year we have seen him crash out of numerous races, including one he was leading.

While everyone was quick to say "I always rated him" last yr, especially when he was wiping the floor with Lorenzo, they forgot that in the 9 previous seasons he has won one race, and finished 3rd in the championship in 2012. While his current team mate racked up 3 world championships, 2 of those while Dovi was on a (Factory) Honda and Yamaha, and 44 race wins. He was beaten by all his team mates in all but one year on the Repsol, including 2009 where he was also beaten by a satellite Yamaha, and soundly trounced by Stoner on his debut year on the Repsol in 2011.

I'm proud to say that I'm one of Dovi's biggest fans, but I have to admit that I agree with you on all of the above.
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Very good? I'd argue in fact he was rather ordinary. I've said it late last yr and I'll say it again; 2017 was a perfect storm for Dovi, and while no GP rider is a slouch, he won't get that close to a championship again. He enjoyed the underdog status last yr, and this year we have seen him crash out of numerous races, including one he was leading.

While everyone was quick to say "I always rated him" last yr, especially when he was wiping the floor with Lorenzo, they forgot that in the 9 previous seasons he has won one race, and finished 3rd in the championship in 2012. While his current team mate racked up 3 world championships, 2 of those while Dovi was on a (Factory) Honda and Yamaha, and 44 race wins. He was beaten by all his team mates in all but one year on the Repsol, including 2009 where he was also beaten by a satellite Yamaha, and soundly trounced by Stoner on his debut year on the Repsol in 2011.
Yep, the table was set for Dovi in 17 in ways it may never be again. After the tire change 7 races into the season, Yamaha lost its way and Pedrosa could not ride it and Lorenzo was on a bike that was foreign. It was a perfect storm and to his credit he took the opportunity to have a career year and even parlayed it into life long financial security. With that money comes expectations that he has never had and from early indications he has not handled it well on or off the track.
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I see Dovi having a stronger second part of the season than JL.
Any significant upgrades are bound to go to Dovi and Petrux, as surely Ducati arenít going to give them to an outgoing rider whilst they have two capable of winning. If Lorenzo had got himself into a position where he was a title challenger then I think theyíd have done so, but with the current situation I see him having to deal with what he has.
Dovi isnít out of it anyway, he was strong last year at the latter part of the season and can be this year.
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Yes, and Rabat too.

Dovi was very good on the Yamaha and Honda, but he was never battling for championships or taking six wins a season. I doubt his 2017 would have been so strong on a Honda or Yamaha.
Dovi joined HRC when Honda was in a deep crisis and even Pedrosa could not fight for the title; he helped a lot developing the bike, but at that point they hired Stoner and his chance with HRC was de facto over even if he managed to drag it on for one more season. On the Yamaha front, he never was in the factory team. So his real potential only came out after years of patient development when the Ducati was finally sorted. Destiny then seemed to repeat itself, because when the bike was ready another top rider was hired by his team, Lorenzo: we know the rest. Certainly Dovi has not been the luckiest rider out there.
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Dovi joined HRC when Honda was in a deep crisis and even Pedrosa could not fight for the title; he helped a lot developing the bike, but at that point they hired Stoner and his chance with HRC was de facto over even if he managed to drag it on for one more season. On the Yamaha front, he never was in the factory team. So his real potential only came out after years of patient development when the Ducati was finally sorted. Destiny then seemed to repeat itself, because when the bike was ready another top rider was hired by his team, Lorenzo: we know the rest. Certainly Dovi has not been the luckiest rider out there.
I agree, but ultimately Pedrosa outperformed him pretty easily in 2009 and 2010. Casey was also much faster in 2011, and Dovi only just beat Dani in 2011 (even though Dani missed four races or so after the Simoncelli torpedo).

It's true that he did well on the satellite Yamaha.
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Dovi joined HRC when Honda was in a deep crisis and even Pedrosa could not fight for the title; he helped a lot developing the bike, but at that point they hired Stoner and his chance with HRC was de facto over even if he managed to drag it on for one more season. On the Yamaha front, he never was in the factory team. So his real potential only came out after years of patient development when the Ducati was finally sorted. Destiny then seemed to repeat itself, because when the bike was ready another top rider was hired by his team, Lorenzo: we know the rest. Certainly Dovi has not been the luckiest rider out there.
I am not sure he got equipment equal to Stoner and Pedrosa in 2011 given he insisted his HRC contract be honoured by him being on the full factory team, iirc against HRC’s preference.

I know you don’t underestimate Stoner, but he was immediately faster than Pedrosa within a couple of laps on the 2010 bike in the Valencia post season test, and again iirc Dovi followed Stoner’s lead and adopted his set up in 2011 rather than the other way around, Stoner unlike some others by whom I mean Doohan as well as Rossi never having any problems with his team-mates having access to his data including set-up.
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