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August 5th, 2018, 02:28 PM   #81
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Yes, he was such a disruptive influence at Yamaha that he won their last 3 world championships, and oddly they don’t look particularly likely to win the title for a second year with his baleful influence removed.

Maybe the improvements of the Ducati bike are all down to Gigi, but it doesn’t look particularly likely Dovi is responsible to me, apart from riding very well last year and at Qatar and again in the recent race. Gigi by all reports wanted Jorge to stay.
You read too much into what was an anodyne statement. He can be unpleasant and still be effective as a rider. I never said he had become unwelcome. And you are one of the foremost persons purveyors of the rider as developer is a myth narrative. I agree on that. As to Gigi wanting him to stay, that's a given. They have history and a strong relationship. No surprise there. The bike, in any case had made the bulk of its major improvements, under Gigi's supervision, well before Lorenzo came aboard. My point was only that Lorenzo might be getting pointers from his manager about presenting a less sullen demeanor to attract better notices from the press, and to not present over much as a primadonna to the folks at HRC, who by all reports are quite happy with Marquez.
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You read too much into what was an anodyne statement. He can be unpleasant and still be effective as a rider. I never said he had become unwelcome. And you are one of the foremost persons purveyors of the rider as developer is a myth narrative. I agree on that. As to Gigi wanting him to stay, that's a given. They have history and a strong relationship. No surprise there. The bike, in any case had made the bulk of its major improvements, under Gigi's supervision, well before Lorenzo came aboard. My point was only that Lorenzo might be getting pointers from his manager about presenting a less sullen demeanor to attract better notices from the press, and to not present over much as a primadonna to the folks at HRC, who by all reports are quite happy with Marquez.
Perhaps so. Then again perhaps he just thought he and Dovi had both ridden good races, and Dovi deserved to be congratulated for beating him fair and square if closely.

I would have been happy were I Jorge, if I am not mistaken he was competitive on the hard tire for the first time, and beat MM riding same.
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Jorge rode a blinder
Fastest lap of the race on a hard tire and competitive for the win on a hard tire for the first time, and riding a completely different strategy than in most of his later career wins.

All credit to Dovi, he was too good for Jorge to make a pass on him which would stick but I tend to agree with the commentators that had Jorge been able to make a pass stick he had the late race pace to stay in front.
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Booing was pretty prominent during park ferme interviews.

Fucking idiotic rossi fans .... what the hell do they want?

Dont they realise they are really just booing rossi for not achieving
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Booing was pretty prominent during park ferme interviews.

Fucking idiotic rossi fans .... what the hell do they want?

Dont they realise they are really just booing rossi for not achieving
Yes, the yellow mustard ass clowns were out in full swing. Sad group of people they are.
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I donít know how many people here watched the press conference of all the tech heads, but Yamaha did something rare and admitted that they fucked up with the engine and thatís the reason the riders have too much wheelspin.

Itís clear that given a bike that is equal to the Honda and the Ducati, Rossi can still win races. But thatís not going to happen this year.
Yamaha had a better bike than Honda in 13-15-16 and part of 17 until tire swap and Rossi can win a race or two when things fall his way, but winning a couple of races wonít win you a championship in a field this stacked.
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Lorenzo sure put on a show in Parc Ferme, looking all congratulatory to Dovi. His rep for being a disruptive negative influence in the garage may be catching up with him.
Since you know him personally to say that. Lets assume that assessment is correct. At least he try's to be better than the not so great rossi........
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Yamaha had a better bike than Honda in 13-15-16 and part of 17 until tire swap and Rossi can win a race or two when things fall his way, but winning a couple of races wonít win you a championship in a field this stacked.
Yes in todays list of competitors, rossi is the Gibernau, Capirosi etc.

Hes doing ok though ..... but due in part to the early season woes of the likes of Dovi and Lorenzo ..... and in huge part ... he seems less susceptible to his or his teams paranoid delusions this year.
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I donít know how many people here watched the press conference of all the tech heads, but Yamaha did something rare and admitted that they fucked up with the engine and thatís the reason the riders have too much wheelspin.

Itís clear that given a bike that is equal to the Honda and the Ducati, Rossi can still win races. But thatís not going to happen this year.
As long as Marc and Jorge continue in motogp. There is nothing yamaha can do to buy rossi anther world title. Uncle carmelo put him back a yamaha, change the tires for him & still no title. And this bullshit about the spec ecu/software package holding them back. Rewind a few years back when it was announce the spec ecu/software was coming. It was suggested that yamaha would not suffer much since their proprietary factory system is magneti marelli....
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Yes in todays list of competitors, rossi is the Gibernau, Capirosi etc.

Hes doing ok though ..... but due in part to the early season woes of the likes of Dovi and Lorenzo ..... and in huge part ... he seems less susceptible to his or his teams paranoid delusions this year.
Yes, no problem with him this year since Argentina, he is just racing now and doing so rather well all things considered.
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