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August 3rd, 2018, 01:22 PM   #41
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I hope Lorenzo is spending time figuring out a way to make the hard tire work for him, if it’s going to at this track. Looks like good weather, high temps expected?


I think he's spending time on a nude beach "reading" about economics....


hehehehe
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The journeyman running his mouth is rich.

He lucked into a perfect storm in 2017 but couldn't get the job done as the pressure ratcheted up. Who can forget when he got beat by Scott Redding to the line at Phillip Island as he wheel spun the whole way out of the final corner.

Lorenzo's Ducati tenure has been less than ideal given his talent level, but he never quit trying to improve. There's a reason he has a bunch of titles Dovizioso is back to being what he is; journeyman. Nice to see Lorenzo wasn't lying about Dovizioso. Hope Ducati enjoys paying that $6 million now.
Disagree in the strongest terms. This narrative is overmuch reminiscent of we were hearing after Nicky won in 2006. Nobody "lucks" into the kind of battles he had last year with Marquez. Certainly didn't see any other riders making record numbers of passes against arguably the best rider in 20 years. Dovi, it's possible, had a team then that was more responsive to his requirements, something that it appears has gone away as Lorenzo made more progress. Who can watch his duel in the rain and absolutely impossible passes he made, and call that luck? It's possible he peaked last year, but I say his accomplishments are solid and can't now be retroactively discounted.
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I think he's spending time on a nude beach "reading" about economics....


hehehehe
At least he appears to be keeping the sand out of his vagina. Why he's reading a book by Frazier is anybody's guess.
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Disagree in the strongest terms. This narrative is overmuch reminiscent of we were hearing after Nicky won in 2006. Nobody "lucks" into the kind of battles he had last year with Marquez. Certainly didn't see any other riders making record numbers of passes against arguably the best rider in 20 years. Dovi, it's possible, had a team then that was more responsive to his requirements, something that it appears has gone away as Lorenzo made more progress. Who can watch his duel in the rain and absolutely impossible passes he made, and call that luck? It's possible he peaked last year, but I say his accomplishments are solid and can't now be retroactively discounted.
He only won that duel at Motegi because Marquez's foot slipped off the peg. He wasn't going to win the race till that happened; luck. His fortunes only rose when the tire switch happened. He's done fuck all since winning at Qatar. If he was that good, he'd be mounting another title challenge instead of bringing up the rear of the front running bikes.
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He only won that duel at Motegi because Marquez's foot slipped off the peg. He wasn't going to win the race till that happened; luck. His fortunes only rose when the tire switch happened. He's done fuck all since winning at Qatar. If he was that good, he'd be mounting another title challenge instead of bringing up the rear of the front running bikes.
Respectfully - using that logic then, Marquez's losing of any race would only be due to luck. The skills both riders have are what puts them at the forefront of any given race. Motegi was one of the most awesome demonstrations of racing in the rain anyone's ever seen. One could btw counter by saying Dovi only won because his foot didn't slip of the peg, and that's a matter of skill, not luck. Even if Marquez hadn't slipped and went on to win the race by a couple thousandths, Dovizioso's 2nd place would still be considered a legendary piece of riding. And Dovi had multiple battles with MM last year. It's not as if it was a one-off. Only the best have prolonged battles with the very best. They were very evenly matched, up until when Marquez upped his game and he didn't just do it at will like he's been doing this year. It was a good fight making for a very memorable season. If anyone was lucky, it was the fans who witnessed those races.

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I just had to go watch Motegi 17 again..what an awesome race that was.
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Disagree in the strongest terms. This narrative is overmuch reminiscent of we were hearing after Nicky won in 2006. Nobody "lucks" into the kind of battles he had last year with Marquez. Certainly didn't see any other riders making record numbers of passes against arguably the best rider in 20 years. Dovi, it's possible, had a team then that was more responsive to his requirements, something that it appears has gone away as Lorenzo made more progress. Who can watch his duel in the rain and absolutely impossible passes he made, and call that luck? It's possible he peaked last year, but I say his accomplishments are solid and can't now be retroactively discounted.
I see close parallels with Nicky, although Nicky sealed the deal by being absolutely consistent which Dovi couldn’t manage, you can’t have results such as Dovi had at PI 2017 and win the title. It doesn’t matter what Nicky did afterwards or even whether the 800 cc class could almost have been specifically designed to stymie him, he did what he did that year and was a worthy title winner, like Leicester in their English premier league title year.

I agree no one can take away those races in which he out dueled MM, and as I said on previous post I don’t think riders who beat prime MM in last lap/last corner battles are going to be able to form a large club.

If this outburst was unprovoked Lorenzo has it over him in spades as far as careers go however, having had rather more good years than one.

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Long time no post :P still been reading on occasion though!

Unusual results today, both sessions a little mixed from what I expected especially FP2, be interesting to see how it progresses over the Saturday sessions...
Guys on BTSport said MM only used 2 sets of tyres today, never sure they know what they're talking about but seems likely given the results... Another smart start to the weekend, look forward to seeing how it works out with when he turns the screws tomorrow...
Post session inverview with Vinales was quite odd, normally he has a face on when he is unhappy, today was a big smiles while complaining about the bike, can't remember last time I saw that from him!
Really hoping Bautista can put together another solid weekend 2 top 6s on the bounce will do him good with RB Ring coming up next!
Marc used 1 set of hards the entire FP 2 according to analysis doing 18 laps with 13 at speed.
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What a lap from Rossi in FP2!
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What a lap from Rossi in FP2!
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