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August 7th, 2018, 03:43 PM   #231
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Does anybody know, did Rossi lament his tyre choice after the race?
No, he didn't.
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What age they were when MM arrived and what age Rossi is, have no bearing whatsoever on the reality that Rossi has been very consistently beaten since MM arrived and MM goes from strength to strength while Rossi, while impressive for his age, is continually the bridesmaid and hasn't won a championship in years. These are not statistics which can be rigged to mean whatever sophist thing suits your narrative. These are the plain facts and no matter how much you like him, you can't spin the facts which are right in plain sight. Marquez wins races and championships while Rossi at best is runner up. Being the winner is by definition what makes MM the better rider in the here and now and Rossi must know that. The man is not deluded. When Stoner was dominating Rossi knew it and spoke to it, saying "Stoner, he ride like a God". He acknowledged a better rider then, what makes you think he would be in denial now?
Saying that your rival is riding like a god, is a way of saying "just watch how I can beat a god". That's the intention at least. it's not guaranteed to work out at all times, but that's the attitude. This applies to all champions, not just to Rossi.
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So Rossi was around the same age as Biaggi and Gibernau when they were Rossi's greatest rivals, Doohan was still dominating and Ago won his last championship when Marquez came into the top class.
Yes, and in fact Biaggi and Gibernau could never defeat young Rossi for a championship, and Ago and Doohan both won their last title at 33.
And in his last season Doohan was seriously challenged by a younger rider called Criville, who wasn't exactly a Marquez.
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Yes, and in fact Biaggi and Gibernau could never defeat young Rossi for a championship, and Ago and Doohan both won their last title at 33.
And in his last season Doohan was seriously challenged by a younger rider called Criville, who wasn't exactly a Marquez.
No he wasn’t.

The “what if’s” were mostly about Biaggi iirc (I am not sure why, it was never in doubt from my point of view watching the season), but the facts are that he beat Biaggi by 52 points and Criville by 62 in 1998, the year he turned 33, a season in which he had 3 retirements/dnfs. All his titles were of course on one leg after nearly losing the other one, as opposed to Valentino who has remained commendably mostly healthy, a testament to his skill and intelligence and the longevity of his riding style as I have said.

I think Valentino is better than Ago and probably better than Doohan, and also that it is not unreasonable to extrapolate that Rossi riding as he does now with 25 year old reflexes would be faster, but you can’t take those late career titles won by Ago and Doohan away from them, and Rossi himself seems to have been chasing the 8th title which was Ago’s crowning achievement rather avidly for almost a decade now.
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No he wasn’t.

The “what if’s” were mostly about Biaggi iirc (I am not sure why, it was never in doubt from my point of view watching the season), but the facts are that he beat Biaggi by 52 points and Criville by 62 in 1998, the year he turned 33, a season in which he had 3 retirements/dnfs. All his titles were of course on one leg after nearly losing the other one, as opposed to Valentino who has remained commendably mostly healthy, a testament to his skill and intelligence and the longevity of his riding style as I have said.

I think Valentino is better than Ago and probably better than Doohan, and also that it is not unreasonable to extrapolate that Rossi riding as he does now with 25 year old reflexes would be faster, but you can’t take those late career titles won by Ago and Doohan away from them, and Rossi himself seems to have been chasing the 8th title which was Ago’s crowning achievement rather avidly for almost a decade now.
I feel Doohan's drive and ruthlessness would have been enough to take on a young Rossi. Rossi may be the more talented of the two, but I think Doohan could overcome that through sheer force of will. That would have been an impressive battle to see had we lucked out.
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Saying that your rival is riding like a god, is a way of saying "just watch how I can beat a god". That's the intention at least. it's not guaranteed to work out at all times, but that's the attitude. This applies to all champions, not just to Rossi.
I always approach your Vale worship in a good natured fashion and respect many of your opinions and generally really enjoy your participation on PS - but really and truly - that's the biggest load of wishful thinking bullshit I've heard in a LONG time.
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I always approach your Vale worship in a good natured fashion and respect many of your opinions and generally really enjoy your participation on PS - but really and truly - that's the biggest load of wishful thinking bullshit I've heard in a LONG time.
Rossi often used to use this sort of praise for his rivals to make himself seem vulnerable. E.g. at LS08, all throughout practice, he kept saying how the only way to stop Stoner was with a gun! He also painted himself as the little fish against the hungry shark in Lorenzo in 2015. There are more examples, but I just thought of two that most easily came to mind.
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- that's the biggest load of wishful thinking bullshit I've heard in a LONG time.
Not surprised.
You’re too full of it to hear yourself speak.
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I always approach your Vale worship in a good natured fashion and respect many of your opinions and generally really enjoy your participation on PS - but really and truly - that's the biggest load of wishful thinking bullshit I've heard in a LONG time.
I have no worship for anybody. The fact that I defend Valentino Rossi here is only due to the silly indulgence of the majority of the forum in Rossi-bashing, which is just just as idiotic as the indulgence in Rossi-worship in other forums.
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I feel Doohan's drive and ruthlessness would have been enough to take on a young Rossi. Rossi may be the more talented of the two, but I think Doohan could overcome that through sheer force of will. That would have been an impressive battle to see had we lucked out.
Doohan would have most probably beaten Rossi in his rookie year, for the reasons you mention, plus experience; but afterwards it would have been much harder imho. Thanks to Honda itself, who was listening to Criville, Rossi didn't win the title in his rookie year anyway, when thanks to Doohan's absence he could have made it. Let us also not forget that Doohan recommended that Honda hire Rossi: he esteemed the young rider a lot.
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