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July 11th, 2018, 06:17 AM   #1
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Stoner: Without electronics, Rossi would still be number 1

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Interesting viewpoint. He's seen the telemetry of the likes of Lorenzo, Marquez and Dovi up close too...
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I seriously doubt that. But I respect Stoner's viewpoint.
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It would be interesting to hear why he thinks this, as we have seen a rider like Marquez dominate lowers classes with no electronics. all I know is the more spec things get with electronics, the more Marquez seems to widen the gulf between himself and the other riders. A lot of people were bleating about how Marquez and Honda would struggle without their proprietary electronics and he is running off and leaving the pack at will without it. Now you have people bleating that the spec IMU will bring Honda down because they are assuming it is them and only them that have figured it out. I would be willing to bet that Marquez takes another step in his domination with the spec IMU as it will further highlite his skill level over the other riders. I think Stoners argument holds water against the likes of Pedrosa, Dovi, Lorenzo, but I would pick Marc straight up in a head to head bike race against Rossi no matter what you put them on.
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It would be interesting to hear why he thinks this, as we have seen a rider like Marquez dominate lowers classes with no electronics. all I know is the more spec things get with electronics, the more Marquez seems to widen the gulf between himself and the other riders. A lot of people were bleating about how Marquez and Honda would struggle without their proprietary electronics and he is running off and leaving the pack at will without it. Now you have people bleating that the spec IMU will bring Honda down because they are assuming it is them and only them that have figured it out. I would be willing to bet that Marquez takes another step in his domination with the spec IMU as it will further highlite his skill level over the other riders. I think Stoners argument holds water against the likes of Pedrosa, Dovi, Lorenzo, but I would pick Marc straight up in a head to head bike race against Rossi no matter what you put them on.
10 years ago Rossi was a beast and would've have beaten Marquez. Now it's a different story.

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10 years ago Rossi was a beast and would've have beaten Marquez. Now it's a different story.

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Ten years ago Marc was 15 years old...................
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It would be interesting to hear why he thinks this, as we have seen a rider like Marquez dominate lowers classes with no electronics. all I know is the more spec things get with electronics, the more Marquez seems to widen the gulf between himself and the other riders. A lot of people were bleating about how Marquez and Honda would struggle without their proprietary electronics and he is running off and leaving the pack at will without it. Now you have people bleating that the spec IMU will bring Honda down because they are assuming it is them and only them that have figured it out. I would be willing to bet that Marquez takes another step in his domination with the spec IMU as it will further highlite his skill level over the other riders. I think Stoners argument holds water against the likes of Pedrosa, Dovi, Lorenzo, but I would pick Marc straight up in a head to head bike race against Rossi no matter what you put them on.
Maybe his crash rate would increase without electronics.
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On a slightly unrelated note, that helmet is awesome. I'm going to buy one.
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Maybe his crash rate would increase without electronics.
Riders with dirt experience excelled on the 500ís . I see no reason whatsoever that with Marcís world class dirt riding skills, he would master the throttle control needed to excel on one. Marcís crash rate is admittedly self induced to find limits and are virtually always slower front end wash outs which is why he never gets hurt. His throttle control keeps him from losing the rear.
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Riders with dirt experience excelled on the 500’s . I see no reason whatsoever that with Marc’s world class dirt riding skills, he would master the throttle control needed to excel on one. Marc’s crash rate is admittedly self induced to find limits and are virtually always slower front end wash outs which is why he never gets hurt. His throttle control keeps him from losing the rear.
Maybe he'd crash, maybe he wouldn't crash much on the 500s - I agree that he'd still be really strong on the 500s. He's a spectacular talent.

With that being said, I think the fact that Marquez only crashes on the front is more a function of the new era of MotoGP bikes with the extremely sophisticated traction, ignition and fuelling control. Almost everyone crashes on the front now. Since 2007, the incidence of highsides have dropped to 10% of what we saw with the 500s. Many riders (including Stoner, KRJR, etc.) have commented that the bikes are really hard to crash on the throttle. I think it was JL in 2008 who said that the 800cc M1 was easier to ride than his RSA250...(though oddly enough he was the guy that highsided, hard, twice in 2008!).

I cast my mind back to, e.g., Jerez 2016 when the track was so slippery that the rear was spinning on the straight for all of the riders, or Argentina 2015 when the rear was sliding everywhere and JL struggled. Rossi won both races (I think from MM, interestingly enough (or at least it would've been MM at Argentina but for the collision).

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Stoner is doing drugs? Why would he say this unless he is afraid Marc-yee is going to steal what remains of his thunder?

Here is a quote from Rossi in 2006. I used it elsewhere as a sig in '06-'07
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the systems that assist the motor help a lot. These are bikes that weigh 145 kilos [320 pounds] and have 250 horsepower: if there weren’t those rider [electronic] aids, we wouldn’t even be able to get out of the garage.
I have zero doubt that Marc-yee is the fastest sucker out there with or without electronics, tires, or elbow sliders. I also have little doubt he would be the faster sucker out there against any aged Rossi.
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