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July 3rd, 2018, 04:32 PM   #1
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Making the case for Marquez

This is all stuff most of us have debated for years, but itís good to see the narrative is slowly starting to change.

MotoGP: ?Making The Case For Marc Marquez Being The GOAT (Greatest Of All Time)
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I don’t know about GOAT, but he could certainly pass for a horse with those teeth.
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I don’t know about GOAT, but he could certainly pass for a horse with those teeth.
Being an ass as usual .........
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awesome article. I agree with it, to a point. I just can't discount the dominance of riders like Ago, Doohan and Rossi based solely on those factors. Their sheer talent and skill are more of a factor.
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I'll wrap this up with a hypothetical question: If the rules were the same as they were in 2014 for the machine (no spec electronics), Marquez had a legendary crew chief in his garage, and Michelin would cook special tires for him for specific tracks for specific race weekends ... would he ever lose a race again?
Never!
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Hey, that reads like Jumkie could have written it! Is his real name Michael Gougis?
Just kidding, I used to race with Michael at Willow Springs in the 90’s and he is definitely an informed enthusiast.
Good to see this in print in a mag like RW. I haven’t read it in a long time but their journalism has always had integrity.

Marquez is disproving that old saw that the greatest don’t crash very often.....when he stops doing that look out!
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awesome article. I agree with it, to a point. I just can't discount the dominance of riders like Ago, Doohan and Rossi based solely on those factors. Their sheer talent and skill are more of a factor.
All three had additional advantage outside of their talent for their given period. There is nothing to disagree about on that point. It was proven when rossi switched to Bridgestones.
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awesome article. I agree with it, to a point. I just can't discount the dominance of riders like Ago, Doohan and Rossi based solely on those factors. Their sheer talent and skill are more of a factor.
I don't know, mate. I think that the dominance Marc has shown is in a time when the bikes are really close to each other in terms of performance and he has been the deciding factor.
For me Vale's longevity is what get's him a place in the GOAT discussion.
Marc does things on a bike that nobody has ever been able to do.
Age for age I really cannot see anyone beating Marc except Casey (if he got some air between them) and maybe Jarno Saarinen.
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I don't know, mate. I think that the dominance Marc has shown is in a time when the bikes are really close to each other in terms of performance and he has been the deciding factor.
For me Vale's longevity is what get's him a place in the GOAT discussion.
Marc does things on a bike that nobody has ever been able to do.
Age for age I really cannot see anyone beating Marc except Casey (if he got some air between them) and maybe Jarno Saarinen.
I tend to agree, but he hasn't had Rossi's longevity as yet, and i understand much of what is being said about him in this article also applied to Mike Hailwood.

I would rate him higher than Doohan personally, but the dismissal of Doohan as being on a dominant bike on which he was presented few hurdles is a little facile. Even apart from the bike being as much of a rival as the opposing riders on a 500 2 -stroke and constantly trying to kill you, and succeeding in crippling Doohan to the extent he had to have a special hand/thumb operated brake, he was dominating other greats of the sport in the year of his injury, HRC gave Criville and other riders his settings, and iirc there were 5 identical Hondas on the grid in one of his championship years. Positing a bike advantage as being due to a bike only he could ride also seems a trifle contradictory. I would also, like Birdman, put in a word for Lawson.

I don't think there is any way MM could ride one of those vicious golden era 500 2-strokes the way he rides a 4-stroke, although I have no doubt he would quickly develop an appropriate different method.
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It really echoes a lot of stuff that has been said on here.
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