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July 2nd, 2018, 09:27 AM   #21
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Credentials can't save you from ignorance.

Actually, with all his credentials, Oxley can't tell you what a simple equation of motion is without spending 20 minutes on google.
He’s not known hereabouts as Hack Oxley for nothing. But I suppose there will be some who’ve discounted his every word, who will now about face and defend him to the death if they’re disposed to furthering a contrarian agenda. Seen it happen with Kropo’s articles. We had a few members here with serious engineering chops who’ve gone missing. Where’s Dr. No and Arrib when you need them?

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He’s not known hereabouts as Hack Oxley for nothing. But I suppose there will be some who’ve discounted his every word, who will now about face and defend him to the death if they’re disposed to furthering a contrarian agenda. Seen it happen with Kropo’s articles. We had a few members here with serious engineering chops who’ve gone missing. Where’s Dr. No and Arrib when you need them?
Kinda like how your mouthbreathing brethren defend you?
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They certainly did have a more powerful engine that year, particularly compared with the spring valve Yamaha, the desmo valve Ducati I understand having an efficiency advantage in what was essentially a fuel economy formula. Honda didn't have much to complain about as I gather it was they who basically provided the major impetus for the new formula.

Ducati were also purported to have such a major electronics advantage that the bike rode itself, which was far from the case, the electronics I suspect merely converting a bike that was completely unrideable to one which was almost unrideable. The initial iteration of the GP08 with the new 2008 engine was pretty much completely unrideable even for Stoner on the tighter European tracks, and they had to revert to the 2007 engine if you recall, although Stoner also had an early season DNF due to an engine letting go. I remember Nicky saying when he first got on the GP08 at the post-season test that however much Ducati were paying Stoner it wasn't enough.

They are not such an underdog now with the German money, but as I said I don't think they deserved to be chided for looking for innovative solutions when they were an artisanal operation as was the case for much of their tenure in motogp. Certainly they started from scratch with Bridgestone when Michelins were the go if you were in the top tier of the teams/riders supplied by Michelin, but were only allowed to run with the tire co-developed completely within the rules and spirit of the sport, which was closer to a prototype series back then, for 1 year after achieving parity or better with Michelin in 2007 following the demise of SNS tires at the end of the 2006 season, the control tire being more or less the consequence of that bolt from the blue 2007 title win.
Yes, the Bridgestones were strong in 2007 too (as we saw from Suzuki and Kawi's strong performances).
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Oxley just can't stop embarrassing himself lol.

what the "tricky" of using a pressure transducer? It's a device so common among engineers. But it's funny how shocking Oxley wants it to be: wooooow "rocket science maaaan!! A PRESSURE TRANSDUUCER WWWOOOOOWWW"



"Gigi uses a lot of tech derived from F1, simple as that". Ah, right.. simple as that.

What kind of credential this guy have? Maybe a guesser ID? A "thinkist"? "I think that, I think this...wooooooooooooooooow man!!!"
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Oxley just can't stop embarrassing himself lol.

what the "tricky" of using a pressure transducer? It's a device so common among engineers. But it's funny how shocking Oxley wants it to be: wooooow "rocket science maaaan!! A PRESSURE TRANSDUUCER WWWOOOOOWWW"



"Gigi uses a lot of tech derived from F1, simple as that". Ah, right.. simple as that.

What kind of credential this guy have? Maybe a guesser ID? A "thinkist"? "I think that, I think this...wooooooooooooooooow man!!!"
Could you please provide a link to the article which relates to the image you've screenshotted?
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"Gigi uses a lot of tech derived from F1, simple as that". Ah, right.. simple as that.
It is a fact that Ferrari helped Ducati with some aspects of its MotoGP program. I don't know when this ceased (I assume since Audi purchased Ducati).

Perhaps J4rno could share more.
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Oxley just can't stop embarrassing himself lol.

what the "tricky" of using a pressure transducer? It's a device so common among engineers. But it's funny how shocking Oxley wants it to be: wooooow "rocket science maaaan!! A PRESSURE TRANSDUUCER WWWOOOOOWWW"



"Gigi uses a lot of tech derived from F1, simple as that". Ah, right.. simple as that.

What kind of credential this guy have? Maybe a guesser ID? A "thinkist"? "I think that, I think this...wooooooooooooooooow man!!!"
I take it you are an engineer, which I certainly am not, as Oxley isn't.

If he has a line into the Ducati engineers fine. If this is based on speculation by others outside Ducati then it has no substance, particularly if the device would be illegal if real. All manner of incorrect speculation has been made about Ducati in the past by rivals, including the bike that rode itself, and the rather similar extra liter of fuel thing in 2007 due to an opaque appendage which iirc led to the bike being inspected. Perhaps it is possible that Ducati make powerful fuel efficient engines, got a head start on the spec ECU with their open class stratagem, and Gigi is a fairly good chassis engineer, as he was when with Aprilia.
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Mat Oxley talks to every single person worth a damn in the paddock and has friendships going back decades in there.

He has also ridden actual Grand Prix bikes until the point where factories stopped offering them to journos (You can thank a certain dumabass for that).

Internet Ph.D man has... Angry words?
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Interesting system for sure. If Ducati found a way to skirt the rules and it has not been called out by the sanctioning body, good on Ducati! It's the same story in every form of racing. You develop and deploy technology. If it is not specifically regarded as an infraction, they let it go until they revamp the rules.
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