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June 21st, 2018, 06:49 AM   #251
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True. What remains to be seen, is who will be the eventual loser in the Ducati-Lorenzo divorce.
Like michaelm, I also think both will.

Can't see Ducati fighting for the title with Dovizioso next year, he's done. Even some wins I think won't happen. And Giorgio lol... it will be funny to watch him all over again throwing his RCV on the ground after crashing battling with Alvaro Bautista for 11th.
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June 21st, 2018, 09:49 AM   #252
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Like michaelm, I also think both will.

Can't see Ducati fighting for the title with Dovizioso next year, he's done. Even some wins I think won't happen. And Giorgio lol... it will be funny to watch him all over again throwing his RCV on the ground after crashing battling with Alvaro Bautista for 11th.
You know, I find people are dismissing Dovizioso a bit too quickly now, just as they have very quickly concluded that Lorenzo will now be the best Ducati rider at all tracks (or that Vinales is done, for that matter). All these things are certainly possible but hey, let's wait at least until mid season... .
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Hi all, back for more and glad to see the new civility reigning on this forum! Great to get back to racing.

Hats off to Jorge, even as a diehard fan I was starting to doubt. Of course it remains to be seen if that form continues. So what if it took 20 tanks to get him one he likes?

With Dovi’s recent results or lack thereof, I believe Ducati willl continue to support their investment, in spite of his lame duck status.

Now as to the move to Honda, I think it’s great and look forward to seeing what he can accomplish there. While a lukewarm Honda fan, like many others I think Marquez is one of the greats, maybe the greatest so far. It’s going to be good, kind of like having Lawson and Rainey on the same team.

If Lorenzo could deal with Rossi, he can handle Marquez. Historically, Honda has made much about their engineering prowess and how that is more important to them than individual riders/drivers. (Exception is Honda clearly favoring Senna over Prost, which is where my dislike for Honda started.)

If they do that with Marquez Lorenzo next year, I will really be pissed and back to watching flat track and local racing.

Until then the rest of this season is going to be interesting, to put it mildly.
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June 21st, 2018, 11:55 AM   #254
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You know, I find people are dismissing Dovizioso a bit too quickly now, just as they have very quickly concluded that Lorenzo will now be the best Ducati rider at all tracks (or that Vinales is done, for that matter). All these things are certainly possible but hey, let's wait at least until mid season... .
This board has always been like that.

After Le Mans, most were claiming that he's not good enough for the Suzuki and that Ducati should throw him to the wolves.

Suddenly, with hindsight, Ducati are madmen for letting him go, etc.

The only truth in MotoGP these days is that form and fortune can come and go very quickly (other than for Marquez! He's always fast!).
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You know, I find people are dismissing Dovizioso a bit too quickly now, just as they have very quickly concluded that Lorenzo will now be the best Ducati rider at all tracks (or that Vinales is done, for that matter). All these things are certainly possible but hey, let's wait at least until mid season... .
If Jorge has come to grips with the Ducati as the winner of 46 premier class races and 3 titles while I don’t expect him to dominantly win every remaining race I expect better from him than Dovi last year when conditions didn’t suit, maybe no lower than 5th, although we still don’t know whether his renewed confidence will translate to damp conditions.

If Dovi goes back to riding as he did last year, which he doesn’t seem to be doing currently after showing great signs at Qatar, then I see him going back to winning races, but probably not the championship. 3 DNFs, 2 due to outright riding errors and the other due to a chain of circumstances initiated by a fairly desperate pass attempt which was never going to stick, is Crashy Crutchlow territory and hardly confidence inspiring, and Jorge has been not very arguably the better rider over his whole career other than last year. He has also got to grips with the bike quicker than Dovi did in terms of race winning, although this may be somewhat related to that bloke with the eyebrow of course.
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