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June 19th, 2018, 03:16 PM   #231
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I hear many things that often are not online, but this one has just been published so if you read Italian follow this link: https://www.moto.it/MotoGP/motogp-da...n-lorenzo.html
A very interesting itw with Gigi after Mugello. Says many other things besides the tank comment.
I believe it says that Dall'Igna has made twenty (20) tank changes since he has been at Ducati. That is quite different from Lorenzo getting twenty (20) different tanks. It is believable that with four (4) years (77 races ) times several different riders, (Stoner, et al) to see that many tanks. Twenty tanks just for Jorge is quite doubtful.

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Your interpretation is incorrect.

Da quando lui è in Ducati, ne avremo fatte più di 20 di forme del serbatoio, perché per lui l’ergonomia è importante

Dall'Igna said "Since he's been at Ducati, we've made more than 20 different types of tanks for him, because ergonomics are important for him."
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I believe it says that Dall'Igna has made twenty (20) tank changes since he has been at Ducati. That is quite different from Lorenzo getting twenty (20) different tanks. It is believable that with four (4) years (77 races ) times several different riders, (Stoner, et al) to see that many tanks. Twenty tanks just for Jorge is quite doubtful.

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As RCV600 correctly says, the 20something tank shapes were since Jorge is at Ducati, and for him ("lui"). Don't know why this should be difficult to believe; in this case it is certainly above average, since "Jorge is especially sensitive to ergonomics", but these mods are routinely done for every rider who asks for them, typically during the winter tests.

It took a really long time to hit the right one it seems, but Lorenzo was adapting his style so that perhaps made his requests also change with time. Anyway -- the one thing I find difficult to believe is the claim that this single change made all the difference. If it's all down to effective and sustainable straight line hard braking, Dovi should be able to replicate Lorenzo's performance easily...
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Your interpretation is incorrect.

Da quando lui è in Ducati, ne avremo fatte più di 20 di forme del serbatoio, perché per lui l’ergonomia è importante

Dall'Igna said "Since he's been at Ducati, we've made more than 20 different types of tanks for him, because ergonomics are important for him."
All I see is Ducati: 0, Lorenzo: 1, Honda 100. Dovi 0. Dovi rode like Stoner for one season. Yes like Stoner, out of his Effin skin. Now he’s back to...... the same place Stoner found himself in 2008. Ducati fucked up. They don’t value their riders. Again. Gigi has made no change to this fundamental problem. How much are Honda laughing about this? Too much to put into words. Post V5 Rossi, since 2011 when they hired ........ they learnt their lesson.
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As RCV600 correctly says, the 20something tank shapes were since Jorge is at Ducati, and for him ("lui"). Don't know why this should be difficult to believe; in this case it is certainly above average, since "Jorge is especially sensitive to ergonomics", but these mods are routinely done for every rider who asks for them, typically during the winter tests.

It took a really long time to hit the right one it seems, but Lorenzo was adapting his style so that perhaps made his requests also change with time. Anyway -- the one thing I find difficult to believe is the claim that this single change made all the difference. If it's all down to effective and sustainable straight line hard braking, Dovi should be able to replicate Lorenzo's performance easily...
Ducati have a problem with the pressure they put on the no 1 rider. Stoner was no 2 in 07, burnt out by 09. Rossi was no 1, gone 2 years later. Dovi was no 2 in 17, looks burnt out in 18. Lorenzo was no 1, burnt out in one year, suddenly with no more pressure a world beater now he’s gone. Ducati senior management create the culture, the culture more than the tank appear to have a problem Gigi can’t fix on his own.
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I said it before, after Stoner, Rossi, Crashy and George’s departures and the way they happened, no top rider will choose the Duc as a number one choice for a long time, even if Gigi lathers the seats with virgin pussy juice.
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Ducati have a problem with the pressure they put on the no 1 rider. Stoner was no 2 in 07, burnt out by 09. Rossi was no 1, gone 2 years later. Dovi was no 2 in 17, looks burnt out in 18. Lorenzo was no 1, burnt out in one year, suddenly with no more pressure a world beater now he’s gone. Ducati senior management create the culture, the culture more than the tank appear to have a problem Gigi can’t fix on his own.
2 names.

Arrivabene and Domenicali. What they knew or know about GP bike racing I am not sure, but since both seem to believe they know everything about anything, including internal medicine in Arrivabene's case, I guess they must know everything about GP bike racing as well.

Both Stoner and Lorenzo on moving to HRC said they had no problem with the Ducati race team, but rather at levels of Ducati management removed from the race team.
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Honda and Yamaha do it right, the company management has a hands off approach towards the racing departments. Ducati and to an extent, Suzuki are ruining their racing programs when these suits try to meddle with the order of things.
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2 names.

Arrivabene and Domenicali. What they knew or know about GP bike racing I am not sure, but since both seem to believe they know everything about anything, including internal medicine in Arrivabene's case, I guess they must know everything about GP bike racing as well.

Both Stoner and Lorenzo on moving to HRC said they had no problem with the Ducati race team, but rather at levels of Ducati management removed from the race team.

about that, this potential bomb just dropped.

MotoGp Ducati, Lorenzo: «Avrei voluto rimanere, ma non è stato possibile» - Corriere dello Sport

It's in Italian but I'll sum it up in a nutshell: Lorenzo says he would have wanted to stay in Ducati, but it wasn't possible.
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I said it before, after Stoner, Rossi, Crashy and George’s departures and the way they happened, no top rider will choose the Duc as a number one choice for a long time, even if Gigi lathers the seats with virgin pussy juice.
Im sure they could get Sofaglue with 72 virgins, pussy juices
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