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June 12th, 2018, 02:48 PM   #441
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I reckon the idea that a rider needs to win on different teams to have a legacy is a recent fan construct. Marquez is likely on his way to beating Rossi's records in a relatively short time. The only reason I can see him going to another factory, is if Honda has an extended fallow period with their bikes lagging behind all the others. Many of the greats we call "legends" were one-brand guys. Spencer was always on a Honda. Schwartz - always on a Suzuki, Roberts always on a Yamaha, Doohan's entire GP career - on a Honda etc.
Perhaps so, which doesn’t mean MM won’t buy into it, being relatively recent himself, and having already pretty much re-created 2005 Jerez last corner pass, the 2008 Corkscrew incident, and arguably the 2010 Motegi Rossi vs Lorenzo dice.
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June 12th, 2018, 06:35 PM   #442
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Do you even listen to yourself?

You accused multiple members of being Roger who hasn't posted in what, a decade?

You have run off multiple members, most recently Albert Tatlock.

You should get off the forum. You're a toxic presence who needless starts shit to get his rocks off and then plays the "Who me card" after getting called in the bullshit.

Your miserable fucking ass purposely dragged my name into this topic for no good reason. What you failed to understand about the kropo topic was it dealt with his professional journalism. Something that apparently flew over your fucking head. Kropo is a hack and will always forever be one for the way he throws and attempts to throw riders under the bus.

Stop acting like some anointed saint. Everyone sees through your vapid cunt ass behavior. Forum wrecker extraordinaire. Maybe the next new member you can accuse of being Roger and run them off.

Keep klogging thread after thread. It shows your true colors.
Your hypocrisy is stupendous. You were every bit as tough and argumentative with Tatlock. Virtually everybody hated the guy. Nothing I do is without a reason. I mentioned you because your actions are judged by different standard and you don't acknowledge it. You continually try to shame me for doing exactly the things you yourself have done. You're like one of those Republicans always pushing the family values agenda, that go skulking around fucking 14 year old transexuals.

Doesn't matter that it was his professionalism that you questioned. What matters is the ugly vitriol, the very personal nature of your posts that were so astounding. There's no justification for that. You have a very short memory, and like all hypocrites, you flip out when someone remembers what you prefer to forget.

Moreover you're fantastically thick if you still believe that attacking me will solve anything. I've been here a long time and will continue to talk about racing when I'm not being pestered by a tiny minority of members who have grand illusions about running the forum. I NEVER back down. Would have thought you'd figured that out by now. When are you going to shut up and talk about racing?

Nobody is stopping you talking about racing - except yourself.

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June 12th, 2018, 06:40 PM   #443
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Perhaps so, which doesn’t mean MM won’t buy into it, being relatively recent himself, and having already pretty much re-created 2005 Jerez last corner pass, the 2008 Corkscrew incident, and arguably the 2010 Motegi Rossi vs Lorenzo dice.
Maybe so. Unlike certain other riders, I have a hard time getting a real sense of what makes him tick. I find him kind of hard to read. Stoner for instance, always had his heart on his sleeve. But, Marquez I think plays it very close to the vest. Okay - that enough cliches for one day.

The Corkscrew incident I think, was the turning point for me. Before that I was in awe of his talent. But that for me was the first glimpse of his personality. That spoke volumes.

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Your hypocrisy is stupendous. You were every bit as tough and argumentative with Tatlock. Virtually everybody hated the guy. Nothing I do is without a reason. I mentioned you because your actions are judged by different standard and you don't acknowledge it. You continually try to shame me for doing exactly the things you yourself have done. You're like one of those Republicans always pushing the family values agenda, that go skulking around fucking 14 year old transexuals.

Doesn't matter that it was his professionalism that you questioned. What matters is the ugly vitriol, the very personal nature of your posts that were so astounding. There's no justification for that. You have a very short memory, and like all hypocrites, you flip out when someone remembers what you prefer to forget.

Moreover you're fantastically thick if you still believe that attacking me will solve anything. I've been here a long time and will continue to talk about racing when I'm not being pestered by a tiny minority of members who have grand illusions about running the forum. I NEVER back down. Would have thought you'd figured that out by now. When are you going to shut up and talk about racing?

Nobody is stopping you talking about racing - except yourself.
Klogging klog klog

Your post speaks volumes about what you bring to this forum; nothing. No one defends you because you're indefensible.
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The Honda is already a corner speed bike, Marquez just doesn’t use The Jorge style of being corner speed dependent. Nakamoto said two years ago that Honda had matched or even surpassed any bike on the grid in corner speed.
I guess that comment came after Honda started rotating the shaft the same way as everyone else. By having the shorter fame I think they are still playing to Márquez’s strength (aggressive breaking, rear wheel steering) in the tighter corners. I remember reading Dani preferred the longer frame, maybe more inline with his preferred style. As suggested I hope they do give Lorenzo a custom frame.
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Your hypocrisy is stupendous. You were every bit as tough and argumentative with Tatlock. Virtually everybody hated the guy. Nothing I do is without a reason. I mentioned you because your actions are judged by different standard and you don't acknowledge it. You continually try to shame me for doing exactly the things you yourself have done. You're like one of those Republicans always pushing the family values agenda, that go skulking around fucking 14 year old transexuals.

Doesn't matter that it was his professionalism that you questioned. What matters is the ugly vitriol, the very personal nature of your posts that were so astounding. There's no justification for that. You have a very short memory, and like all hypocrites, you flip out when someone remembers what you prefer to forget.

Moreover you're fantastically thick if you still believe that attacking me will solve anything. I've been here a long time and will continue to talk about racing when I'm not being pestered by a tiny minority of members who have grand illusions about running the forum. I NEVER back down. Would have thought you'd figured that out by now. When are you going to shut up and talk about racing?

Nobody is stopping you talking about racing - except yourself.
I don’t know what Kurryfart thinks a “Tiny minority” is, but everyone except your buddies bitchmachine and little meth head have asked you to shut the fuck up to varying degrees. Looks like even they have stopped defending you now.

How about you keep klogging this thread and leave the Catalunya thread for those who want to talk racing? Win win all around .
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June 12th, 2018, 10:21 PM   #447
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I reckon the idea that a rider needs to win on different teams to have a legacy is a recent fan construct. Marquez is likely on his way to beating Rossi's records in a relatively short time. The only reason I can see him going to another factory, is if Honda has an extended fallow period with their bikes lagging behind all the others. Many of the greats we call "legends" were one-brand guys. Spencer was always on a Honda. Schwartz - always on a Suzuki, Roberts always on a Yamaha, Doohan's entire GP career - on a Honda etc.
I was thinking that as I wrote my last post, but being in the running for the title of GOAT I think does require to be in the rarefied company of multiple manufacturer titles (IMHO of course). I suppose it stems from the saying, 'if you're fast, then you're fast on anything.'
That's not to say that the guys who stuck with one manufacturer couldn't have won with another, just that those who have done have proved their adaptability.
I reckon this is probably a thread all of it's own.
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June 12th, 2018, 11:30 PM   #448
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I was thinking that as I wrote my last post, but being in the running for the title of GOAT I think does require to be in the rarefied company of multiple manufacturer titles (IMHO of course). I suppose it stems from the saying, 'if you're fast, then you're fast on anything.'
That's not to say that the guys who stuck with one manufacturer couldn't have won with another, just that those who have done have proved their adaptability.
I reckon this is probably a thread all of it's own.

While I totally see where you are coming from (and yes, it may well be it's own thread) I would counter-argue that the modern racer is equally adaptable on a single manufacturer machine, if not better than many racers who may have swapped machines across the years.

I say this as today from year to year rules change that require a new learning curve, be that weight of the machines that seems to constantly change year on year, spec tyres, spec imu, changing fuel restrictions, engine allocation and so forth. In years past each rider (at top factory level) did not need to concern themselves which such things as there were no restrictions on engines, weights were constant, rules did not change significantly year on year, tyres provided a greater selection which allowed manufacturers to build for a brand or even a bike without constraints that it need to work for all.

Yes, some will say that the spec equipment will be factored with certain riders or results in mind, something that we see often and in many regards some aspects of which are still debatable.

It is an interesting discussion actually and each argument has pro's and con's and likely may be influenced by how long people have been watching as well.

On a personal level, for me I am a hypocrite as I am a Doohan tragic and he did not test himself on another brand, but I also saw what he did to world class superbike fields on Yamaha and Honda superbikes which kind of allays concern of adaptability (same goes for many of the same era - I have to make excuses). But at the same time, I also partially subscribe to the 'test yourself on another brand' as well, but for me that has a lot to do with my desire to see the rider on a different brand .........
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I was thinking that as I wrote my last post, but being in the running for the title of GOAT I think does require to be in the rarefied company of multiple manufacturer titles (IMHO of course). I suppose it stems from the saying, 'if you're fast, then you're fast on anything.'
That's not to say that the guys who stuck with one manufacturer couldn't have won with another, just that those who have done have proved their adaptability.
I reckon this is probably a thread all of it's own.
Yes multiple manufacturers but if you have a Ducati win or two its instant GOAT.
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Your post speaks volumes about what you bring to this forum; nothing. No one defends because you're indefensible.
........I'm sorry you feel that way Dave.

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