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June 5th, 2018, 03:30 AM   #71
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we have been to three fan club dinner parties that included a disco of which Jorge was so much fun to be with, singing on the karaoke and dancing around with everyone, lol was the coolest time he treated us all like old friends you could go up have a chat hes totally natural and funny and very nice, even when i bumped into him at the reception desk in 2016 i said ello sweetie, like you do he kissed me on both cheeks as a greeting, continental greeting style, ( bearing in mind he doesnt know me from Adam) my face must have given it away i was ok, probably grinning like an idiot ha ha, loved him before totally after that <3
I got to go to an event with Troy Baylis and Lorenzo Lanzi and had a similar experience (no singing though )

Troy was cool as fuck!

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Softer tyre, flowing circuit, love of Mugello, high track temperature.

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...all you say, and 11 seconds slower than last year's winner (Dovi, who won lapping in the 47s compared to 48s this year for JL). Of course conditions change, but Jorge didn't complete this race much faster than last year: it looks more like a set of favorable circumstances for him (main rivals either crashing out and/or choosing the wrong tire) than a real revolution produced by, ahem, a... tank in a slightly different shape? I'm with Domenicali on this one.
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...all you say, and 11 seconds slower than last year's winner (Dovi, who won lapping in the 47s compared to 48s this year for JL). Of course conditions change, but Jorge didn't complete this race much faster than last year: it looks more like a set of favorable circumstances for him (main rivals either crashing out and/or choosing the wrong tire) than a real revolution produced by, ahem, a... tank in a slightly different shape? I'm with Domenicali on this one.
All very valid points, and the result is of course a one -off unless he repeats it, but as is mostly the case conditions were the same for everyone and did not involve typhoons, earthquakes, plagues of locusts or anything else remarkably untoward as far as I could tell, admittedly only from watching TV from many thousand kilometers away.

Jorge has had competitive one lap pace on many week-ends starting from the second half of last year, and has maintained his ability to make jack rabbit starts. His problem has been wearing out his tires, and he appeared to have more tire than others at the end of this race which I see as a quite hopeful sign for him going forward.

Given the judgement of Ducati management for the last 10 years, including signing Jorge for all that money in the first place when most even on a fan forum such as this one thought his riding style would be unsuited to the bike, I wouldn't necessarily give any comment by Domenicali immediate credibility though. I personally do give credence to your opinion however, and am doubtful the tank is such a major issue, although there is a hallowed story from the Mick Doohan days of Honda reputedly totally destroying the balance of one iteration of their 500 2 -stroke bike by moving the fuel tank a few centimeters.
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Jorge saved his own career by winning on Ducati, nobody else was going to do it. Suzuki should have signed him for peanuts when it looked most bleak 2 weeks ago, with this result it makes him high rent again.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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we have been to three fan club dinner parties that included a disco of which Jorge was so much fun to be with, singing on the karaoke and dancing around with everyone, lol was the coolest time he treated us all like old friends you could go up have a chat hes totally natural and funny and very nice, even when i bumped into him at the reception desk in 2016 i said ello sweetie, like you do he kissed me on both cheeks as a greeting, continental greeting style, ( bearing in mind he doesnt know me from Adam) my face must have given it away i was ok, probably grinning like an idiot ha ha, loved him before totally after that <3
That's lovely! There has been the impression that JL is grumpy but I never felt for that.
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Jorge has had competitive one lap pace on many week-ends starting from the second half of last year, and has maintained his ability to make jack rabbit starts. His problem has been wearing out his tires, and he appeared to have more tire than others at the end of this race which I see as a quite hopeful sign for him going forward.
Do we know for a fact that it tyres problem? Because he was saying that it was fatigue, but as far as I remember this came up this year, so I figure that last year he was slipping back through the order cause of wear issues but this year it was really down to bike's ergonomics.
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Do we know for a fact that it tyres problem? Because he was saying that it was fatigue, but as far as I remember this came up this year, so I figure that last year he was slipping back through the order cause of wear issues but this year it was really down to bike's ergonomics.
No. Jorge is incredibly tough though, and rode as you will recall 2 days after shattering his clavicle and having it internally fixed, and I find him fatiguing less plausible. Then again I argued, probably correctly and very much against the herd opinion, that Stoner should be believed when he said fatigue was his issue in 2009, so I guess I should extend Jorge the same courtesy ie of believing him.
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...all you say, and 11 seconds slower than last year's winner (Dovi, who won lapping in the 47s compared to 48s this year for JL). Of course conditions change, but Jorge didn't complete this race much faster than last year: it looks more like a set of favorable circumstances for him (main rivals either crashing out and/or choosing the wrong tire) than a real revolution produced by, ahem, a... tank in a slightly different shape? I'm with Domenicali on this one.
^^^ This. It was a perfect storm for Lorenzo. Won't happen again.
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Jorge saved his own career by winning on Ducati, nobody else was going to do it. Suzuki should have signed him for peanuts when it looked most bleak 2 weeks ago, with this result it makes him high rent again.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
Not if he can't repeat the performance. He's not going to get crazy money from teams other than Yamaha if his next race mirrors all his other Ducati outings.
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Jorge saved his own career by winning on Ducati, nobody else was going to do it. Suzuki should have signed him for peanuts when it looked most bleak 2 weeks ago, with this result it makes him high rent again.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
Stupid Suzuki.
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