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June 3rd, 2018, 10:46 AM   #31
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also fun fact that was mentioned in an Italian post race show: with the exception of Stoner, he was the rider that needed the smaller amount of time to win on the Ducati. Makes sense as both Dovi and Iannone needed pretty much 4 years
Umm.. Didn't Capirossi win in his first season with Duc? Catalunya 2003 IIRC.
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Umm.. Didn't Capirossi win in his first season with Duc? Catalunya 2003 IIRC.
Yep.

The GP3 was a good bike. Bayliss finished fifth.
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If Jorge is competitive on a Yamaha again it will be great for motogp. Canít have Marquez keeps winning.
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[URL="https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/897601/1/lorenzo-explains-how-ducati-modifications-boosted-victory-charge[/URL]

Really interesting article. Special note (on fuel tank redesign)

"They believed that we couldn’t use a different one."

They were always stubborn, weren't they? They just don't accept something different than what they want, their philosophy is a bit of an obstacle sometimes.
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-What do you mean softer tyre?He just made the correct call, but Duc always run softer compounds.
-Yes flowing circuit with a big straight -love for Duc. But that wasn't the case last year for Jorge, was it?
-There were high temperatures at France as well, and at many tracks. But he didn't win.

OK, of course conditions were slightly in favour, but something else has indeed changed. And there's a high probability that it is structural changes on the bike, fuel tank in particular.
I agree..in fact the Desmo was developed around the soft option just as Honda and Marc favour the hard. However The current nature of the Michelin tyres demands that they are interpreted in a different way. There is no more the simple delineation a soft or hard option. Each tyre has three or four different compounds in it so a team and rider needs to closely examine the details, data and operational temperatures.

Obviously a softer option is always preferable for Jorge, particularly in conjunction with one of his favourite circuits which Le Mans is not. The track temperature today was 10 degrees up on the Bugatti.

Last year? Lorenzo was only in his sixth race for Ducati and still struggling to find a setting. As I recall, his early charge he attributed more to bravery than speed. His lack of his trademark mid corner speed left him vulnerable and he was still adapting in terms of style and settings. Last year, he maintans that he was preparing for the exit, but that didn't compensate for what was lost in entry and mid turn. To other Ducati riders - such as Dovi and Petrucci, who are hard brakers, the bike was more amenable.

Also, fastest through the trap does not win a race - although it certainly didn't hinder him. Jorge ran reduced aero this weekend, and was down on Dovi in a straight line.

Definitely as you say, the modifications to the tank will have helped, but today was an alignment of preferences and conditions...when that happens we are firmly in the territory of Lorenzo's Land.
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Really interesting article. Special note (on fuel tank redesign)

"They believed that we couldnít use a different one."

They were always stubborn, weren't they? They just don't accept something different than what they want, their philosophy is a bit of an obstacle sometimes.
People here might have a different take on it but this echoes what other riders had to say about Ducati.

Rossi, when he was getting increasingly frustrated with HRCís ďHRC first, rider secondĒ attitude was actually looking at Ducati for the switch, despite Davide Brivio constantly following him around begging him to give Yamaha a shot and even stalking him during vacations. Rossi went to Borgo Panigale to visit Ducati Corse in person and had a tour and thatís when he realized that their attitude was not much different from HRCís. Thatís when he decided on Yamaha.

In 2010, Stoner told them that what they had was a dog and they should listen to him if they had any hopes of remaining competitive. They didnít.

Rossi didnít have much of a choice to shop around in 2010 and we all know how that turned out.

And Cal, say what you will of him, actually tore up a factory contract to go ride for an Indy team.

I thought that things were better since Gigi shitcanned pretty much the entire program and built something grounds up, but it appears that the same mentality still exists in Ducati Corse.
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Umm.. Didn't Capirossi win in his first season with Duc? Catalunya 2003 IIRC.

dude you're right! Which makes sense as that specific post race show is...well is not my favorite thing, but I'm having a rather boring weekend so.

In my defense tho I started watching Grand Prix in 2004 so i didn't remember that
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dude you're right! Which makes sense as that specific post race show is...well is not my favorite thing, but I'm having a rather boring weekend so.

In my defense tho I started watching Grand Prix in 2004 so i didn't remember that
If you have video pass, go watch the old seasons.
Capirex was a beast on that Duc.
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People here might have a different take on it but this echoes what other riders had to say about Ducati.

Rossi, when he was getting increasingly frustrated with HRCís ďHRC first, rider secondĒ attitude was actually looking at Ducati for the switch, despite Davide Brivio constantly following him around begging him to give Yamaha a shot and even stalking him during vacations. Rossi went to Borgo Panigale to visit Ducati Corse in person and had a tour and thatís when he realized that their attitude was not much different from HRCís. Thatís when he decided on Yamaha.

In 2010, Stoner told them that what they had was a dog and they should listen to him if they had any hopes of remaining competitive. They didnít.

Rossi didnít have much of a choice to shop around in 2010 and we all know how that turned out.

And Cal, say what you will of him, actually tore up a factory contract to go ride for an Indy team.

I thought that things were better since Gigi shitcanned pretty much the entire program and built something grounds up, but it appears that the same mentality still exists in Ducati Corse.
Thousand likes for this. You summed it up really well.

You can't just lag in business operation practices/methods, or else you'll lose the long game, I hope Italians realise this. And I say Italians, not as a stereotype, but it's pretty much the same with Ferrari (and was until Ross Brawn stepped in).
I also figure there is some kind of central authority rule, I mean the sporting section (Corse in this case) doesn't enjoy many degrees of freedom. Maybe a structural drawback, I don't know.
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dude you're right! Which makes sense as that specific post race show is...well is not my favorite thing, but I'm having a rather boring weekend so.

In my defense tho I started watching Grand Prix in 2004 so i didn't remember that
Haha, not a problem, I even think I'm younger than you , just that I was searching for something recently and I remember that LC won in 2003.

Synn, yes! The first "natural talent" on that Duc. I had read somewhere that 2007 was meant for Loris, but I think a crash he had in 2006 (the Catalunya crash or some kind of post-season testing crash ?) was a major drawback to his career -psychology-wise as he wasn't seriously injured-, ended up a rear gunner for Casey.

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