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May 28th, 2018, 09:14 PM   #91
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Rossi Single handedly took Morbidelli, a kid with a broken family and no hope of even competing even on national level and developed his career to the point where he got a MotoGP ride. Ditto Bagnaia. And many more to come.

What has Stoner done since retiring? Teach upcoming OZ racers fly fishing?

Rossi single handedly has done and is doing more for the sport than many past and present racers have ever done. I am sorry if this uncomfortable truth offends some.

Also, Rossi didn't really receive much help from Graziano other than in the very early years of his career. His career in the world scene was pretty much driven all by himself and not his dad. That is a sharp contrast to Marquez, who is living the Tennis parent fantasies of dadmom Julia and uncle Emilio (That's not a knock on MM's talent).
Marc’s dad is a middle class machine operator, Marc made himself the rider who caught the big money sponsors attention. It’s not like he was born with a silver spoon up his ass and had big money backing his entire career.

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The point was raised to counter the ongoing forum narrative that Rossi is a selfish prick when in reality, there are others far, far more selfish than he is.
Or, they are able to leave the spotlight and get on with their lives enjoying the fruits of their labor. Some are so self absorbed they will do anything to keep their mug in the tabloids.
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I will answer - nothing.

But he did help many younger riders while racing (US riders come to mind) and fought for the 125cc guys to have paddock rights that they otherwise did not have.

Now as for Aussies that have helped their countrymen I suggest you look on the back of a postage stamp for the answer because the answer is very small.

Gardner - helping family

Doohan - nobody

Magoo - nobody

McCoy - runs a ride school but not tailored at international level

Bayliss - probably the most helpful but again, more localised but has used influence to get a few guys WSBK rides.

Vermuelen - not sure to be honest

Many of these guys do poke their heads in at junior meets from time to time but at the same time, one thing that the vast majority of Aussie sportsmen and sportswomen do is that they do not seek publicity for their assistance so many may well be helping far greater but we just will not know of it

Facts are that in this country we do not have a conveyor belt of racers that we had in the past so the chances to help are greatly reduced plus none of these guys made the money of a Rossi nor have the business connections, thus opportunity to help is greatly restricted anyway.

The Aussies that are 'putting back' if that is the right term are the likes of the Cudlins who run a junior race program (MotoStars) where the likes of Bayliss, Vermuelen, McCoy etc will show their faces from time to time to help the kids (source - know someone very closely involved).



Besides, why should they help (Serious question)?

Once a person retires from work, do they use their money, their skills to help people who replaced them or are they off enjoying retirement?
I thought the Casey Stoner cup was still going?
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The point was raised to counter the ongoing forum narrative that Rossi is a selfish prick when in reality, there are others far, far more selfish than he is.
The ongoing forum narrative is that Rossi is highly manipulative off track and has encouraged a rabid element among his fandom and used his influence with the press to foment campaigns of vilification against most of his rivals over his career.

If you are going to quote Inigo Montoya, you should examine your ground a little more carefully. It is entirely possible for Rossi to both encourage young talent and be a prick to his peers/rivals. There is a direct quote from Marco Melandri which encompasses this phenomenon. There is also a guy prominent in the paddock for several decades who has been reckoned by many to be a loathsome manipulative scumbag, hence him being dubbed Darth Puig, who has simultaneously been excellent at identifying and developing young talent with far greater success than Rossi thus far.

(EDIT no-one doubts Valentino’s love for bikes and the sport btw, or at least if they do I disagree with them).

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The point was raised to counter the ongoing forum narrative that Rossi is a selfish prick when in reality, there are others far, far more selfish than he is.

None of the guys I mention are being selfish as they are not doing their thing to the detriment of others, they are simply doing their thing, besides which, even if they are selfish is that an issue?

Certainly, as racers they would have been selfish as they are only concerned with their bike and their performance so will not go out of their way to assist another competitor in terms of their race, although as we have seen time and again riders will genuinely congratulate the other or give lifts where a machine has failed.

Now you bought up Rossi and selfish so I will go there.

Yes, I think he is selfish in a racing sense, but again, as I just said it goes with the territory of being a competitive person and athlete. We will all call for a level playing field so long as it is MY playing field that is level. Plus, as I have said time and again, he (like any of them) would be an idiot not to take advantage of that which is offered that may benefit them ..... they all may race for fun but they want control of that fun.

Now, away from the track ............. that may well be a totally different story on all of these people as that is where they can relax using the method that best suits them ........... and that is not something that it is fair to criticise as relaxation methods are a personal thing.
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I thought the Casey Stoner cup was still going?


Sorry Baz, wasn't aware of that one ............ rather low key affair which kind of backs up some of which posted that many people do support but do so quietly

LOCALS TAKE HONOURS IN CASEY STONER CUP - Australian Motorcycle News
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None of the guys I mention are being selfish as they are not doing their thing to the detriment of others, they are simply doing their thing, besides which, even if they are selfish is that an issue?

Certainly, as racers they would have been selfish as they are only concerned with their bike and their performance so will not go out of their way to assist another competitor in terms of their race, although as we have seen time and again riders will genuinely congratulate the other or give lifts where a machine has failed.

Now you bought up Rossi and selfish so I will go there.

Yes, I think he is selfish in a racing sense, but again, as I just said it goes with the territory of being a competitive person and athlete. We will all call for a level playing field so long as it is MY playing field that is level. Plus, as I have said time and again, he (like any of them) would be an idiot not to take advantage of that which is offered that may benefit them ..... they all may race for fun but they want control of that fun.

Now, away from the track ............. that may well be a totally different story on all of these people as that is where they can relax using the method that best suits them ........... and that is not something that it is fair to criticise as relaxation methods are a personal thing.
I agree he is entitled to be selfish on track, barring the odd dirty move such as Jerez 2005 and Sepang 2015, and to take advantages available to him as others of top rider status have also done. It is the so-called mind games and incitement of his fanbase to which I object.

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I agree he is entitled to be selfish on track, barring the odd dirty move such as Jerez 2005 and Sepang 2015, and to take advantages available to him as others of top rider status have also done. It is the so-called mind games and incitement of his fanbase to which I object.
Did you say mind games?

"Lorenzo's approach "doesn't work at Ducati" - Dovizioso"

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/ne...rossi-1042162/

They ALL do it to various degrees. Except maybe Asparagus A; I don't recollect him playing mind games with anyone else.
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The point was raised to counter the ongoing forum narrative that Rossi is a selfish prick when in reality, there are others far, far more selfish than he is.
Well he likes denying his tax matters.
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Did you say mind games?

"Lorenzo's approach "doesn't work at Ducati" - Dovizioso"

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/ne...rossi-1042162/

They ALL do it to various degrees. Except maybe Asparagus A; I don't recollect him playing mind games with anyone else.
Again, I said so called mind games, and have previously defined what I take issue with, inciting his rabid fan base (EDIT biologically implausible though rabid sheep may be, there is relatively recent precedent cf mad cow disease) and using his influence with the press, Dorna etc to make rivals and potential rivals, even Toni Elias for winning that one race when he got Dani’s SNS tires, into public enemies. It is a shame Mighty Mick crashed and injured himself again, I would love to have seen him last long enough for Rossi to try it on with him, although MM might be even tougher, blithely continuing on his winning way despite all attempted Rossi machinations.

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