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May 27th, 2018, 09:27 PM   #71
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I was the Trumpian Rossi haters that made up the Zarco block by Rossi story....
You did notice he said ď I donít think Rossi blocked meĒ
Thatís not the same as ďRossi did not block meĒ. Like I said, Zarco knows that a pissing contest with Rossi is counter productive, especially with his eye on Rossiís seat in 2021. He took the KTM money as a layover after Rossi urged Yamaha not to offer him a factory backed ride. I guess His agent was just making shit up and if that were the case I would have fired his ass that day. This is damage control, if you canít read between the lines to see that , you need to clean those yellow goggles.
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Backroom deals to keep a Ducati failure didn't all the Rossi haters shout from the roof tops that it was unfair and that he didn't deserve it and he should retire. Blah blah .... Where is anger from those same one trick ponies of such a move for JLo by Dorna?
If Dorna was making moves to get him back on the factory Yamaha at the expense of another rider ,I would guess you would hear all kinds of bitching and moaning. Thatís not the case here.
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I was the Trumpian Rossi haters that made up the Zarco block by Rossi story....
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Is Migs admitting to multiple accounts who dare suggest that Rossi would ever try to block Zarco at Yamaha?


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Backroom deals to keep a Ducati failure didn't all the Rossi haters shout from the roof tops that it was unfair and that he didn't deserve it and he should retire. Blah blah .... Where is anger from those same one trick ponies of such a move for JLo by Dorna?
Yes but that was for rossi, hes not a current top rider in his prime. Lorenzo is a current top rider who would compete with Marquez if on the Yam.

And ....

rossi sucks.

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May 28th, 2018, 05:26 AM   #75
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Yes but that was for rossi, hes not a current top rider in his prime. Lorenzo is a current top rider who would compete with Marquez if on the Yam.

And ....

rossi sucks.
JLo isnt a top rider anymore....his points and recent performance is evidence of that....Hell right now even Miller would be considered a Top rider in his prime vs JLo....And really right now NO rider on the grid can compete with MM on any bike....

Overall you are okay with Dorna helping riders to stay in the championship so long as it is not Rossi....even when the rider are on their natural way out of the championship like JLo

I also dont think that even if Casey came back that he could beat MM on the same bike or on the Ducati....
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JLo isnt a top rider anymore....his points and recent performance is evidence of that....Hell right now even Miller would be considered a Top rider in his prime vs JLo....And really right now NO rider on the grid can compete with MM on any bike....

Overall you are okay with Dorna helping riders to stay in the championship so long as it is not Rossi....even when the rider are on their natural way out of the championship like JLo

I also dont think that even if Casey came back that he could beat MM on the same bike or on the Ducati....
Stoner is 32, and if he came back would be 33, and however talented he once was couldn’t possibly compete over a season with a 26 year old MM after7 years of retirement. Still wouldn’t mind seeing him wild card on a Ducati or factory Honda at PI though.

JLo is in a distinctly similar situation to Rossi’s at the end of 2012, and I can’t see that it would be much different for him than it was for Rossi then, particularly since he still shows one lap pace on the Ducati but can’t make the tires last, and I suspect a bike which suits Zarco’s riding style would suit his, particularly since Zarco has actually said he himself is emulating Jorge.

You guys can never see almost exact parallels between Rossi and others, just as the parallel between Jerez 2011 and Argentina 2018, which even went down to the post race apology or attempted apology, seemed to elude you.

You have a point in regard to those who think Rossi shouldn’t have got the seat back at Yamaha in 2013; I would have taken him every day of the week and twice in Sundays back then. That is rather different than taking him over Zarco this year, Jorge last year if you think as I do Jorge was no longer welcome at Yamaha, or giving him priority over Vinales for that matter after Vinales’ start last year.
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Not really following the whole conversation due to not having time, so I apologize if the below has been already written. Noting too juicy but a little recap and some speculations on rumors that are around people who work in the paddock.

Friends, friends of friends, as well as a bird earlier, told me the following:

- Mir already signed with Suzuki.
- Redding is leaving Aprilia as soon as the season is over.
- Iannone, left by Suzuki, will take Redding's seat on the Aprilia.
- Marc VDS could be closing down for good at the end of the year. (VR46 MotoGP then?)
- Ducati will not re-sign Jorge, who might start an own private Yamaha Team if he wants to race. This sounds crazy but could be his only way to keep racing in motoGP as his economical demands blocked Suzuki from hiring him, and all the other seats are now almost taken.
-HRC is a bit messy. They want to leave Pedrosa but the name of an hypothetical substitute is still extremely unclear, as well as Dani's hypothetical destination, some speculated he might end up on a KTM Tech3 given the Red Bull support.

Again I am not saying any of this is true, I am only saying that these are the rumors around.

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Not really following the whole conversation due to not having time, so I apologize if the below has been already written. Noting too juicy but a little recap and some speculations on rumors that are around people who work in the paddock.

Friends, friends of friends, as well as a bird earlier, told me the following:

- Mir already signed with Suzuki.
- Redding is leaving Aprilia as soon as the season is over.
- Iannone, left by Suzuki, will take Redding's seat on the Aprilia.
- Marc VDS could be closing down for good at the end of the year. (VR46 MotoGP then?)
- Ducati will not re-sign Jorge, who might start an own private Yamaha Team if he wants to race. This sounds crazy but could be his only way to keep racing in motoGP as his economical demands blocked Suzuki from hiring him, and all the other seats are now almost taken.
-HRC is a bit messy. They want to leave Pedrosa but the name of an hypothetical substitute is still extremely unclear, as well as Dani's hypothetical destination, some speculated he might end up on a KTM Tech3 given the Red Bull support.

Again I am not saying any of this is true, I am only saying that these are the rumors around.
Here is a good summary for you....
https://motomatters.com/comment/85291#comment-85291
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Here is a good summary for you....
https://motomatters.com/comment/85291#comment-85291


"So, how much confidence do I have in this drivel I just typed? Well, outside of the contracts that are already signed, pretty much fuck-all"

Man I totally agree with that, but it's exactly why I love the silly season so much. Let's be honest who doesn't like some gossip
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Still clueless as ever.

More than 2 current spec bikes being run allows for more data collection for the teams. If Pramac is running 2 GP17's, it does nothing for GP18 data collection. Ditto on the RCV.
First, you make the arrogant assumption that a person having a single question about something makes that person ignorant about everything

Secondly, it was an honest question. Why the need to be cunt? Why the need to fuel yet another flame war over simple question? Go get laid, take an anger management class or take a Valium, instead of ruining yet another thread by infusing it with with your bitterness.

Satellite bikes are only going to collect the same general data as the factory bikes. Moreover the data they collect is specific to the individual riders, their riding styles, seat positions, fairing specs, suspension settings, tire choices, etc., all of which is colored by the differences between year models, which to a reasonable mind, would not appear to have that much value; case in point, look at how the factory Yamahas are flailing away whilst Zarco makes them look like crap. If one assumes (and I don't) that there is an agreement to share data between two competing teams, it doesn't appear to have helped the factory team.

My question was simply, is there in fact such an agreement? If you can't reply without losing your shit, then step aside and let some less labile person answer.

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