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June 5th, 2018, 11:50 PM   #181
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Suzuki's "policy" is to be mediocre.

Viñalez wasn't turned into a top rider, he was offered a seat because one shockingly became available at factory Yamaha. A seat vacated by their reigning champion no less. Viñalez would have still been a 1 race winner, no way he wins the other 3 races whilst he would have been competing on a Suzuki against Lorenzo on an M1. Name these other riders that Suzuki have groomed into a top riders?

Suzuki have never been committed to GP. They sign these young riders because they don't cost much. Why didn’t they court Lorenzo? HRC snatched him up for a quarter what Ducati paid him. Suzuki could have made him promises when he was desperate, for a bike, GSXRR, that is presumably the next best thing to an M1, his bread and 'butter'.

Suzuki improved? All I've been hearing from Yamaha riders is that their bike is shit. Maybe that's your Suzuki improvement. Suzuki will never amount to anything whilst the HRCs and Yamaha's of GP still have their foot on throat of parity. Suzuki can't even beat Ducati FFS.

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How can you even start explaining a point with a sentence like that?

And did you watch sunday's race? Actually, do you even watch motoGP?
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June 6th, 2018, 12:36 AM   #182
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How can you even start explaining a point with a sentence like that?

And did you watch sunday's race? Actually, do you even watch motoGP?
I believe that Jumkie is unhappy with the support they offered KRJR and Hopkins, with some justification imo. KRJR has expounded about how they hardly expended anything to keep the bike competitive after his title win.
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I believe that Jumkie is unhappy with the support they offered KRJR and Hopkins, with some justification imo. KRJR has expounded about how they hardly expended anything to keep the bike competitive after his title win.

Suzuki bikes and teams from KRJR's and Hopkin's time and today's ones are two completely different things, happening in completely different eras of the sport, so this doesn't make any sense (with all due respect).
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Suzuki bikes and teams from KRJR's and Hopkin's time and today's ones are two completely different things, happening in completely different eras of the sport, so this doesn't make any sense (with all due respect).
Sure, I personally think they are doing fairly well currently given their resources relative to other teams, particularly HRC. I will admit to some attitudes myself forged as far back as 2007 and 2008 though.

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And Petrucci to take the vacant Ducati seat with Millar now on a 2019 factory spec. Duc. But with Pramac.
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And Petrucci to take the vacant Ducati seat with Millar now on a 2019 factory spec. Duc. But with Pramac.
I share your perspective, unsurprisingly I guess. I think Petrucci is a journeyman. Miller may end up no better, but at this point in time there are still possibilities for him.

Given their experiences with Iannone, and the Lorenzo “Code 8” thing, I guess Petrucci looks like a safer bet than Jack. I don’t have great faith in Ducati’s powers of discernment in regard to riders though, the main good choices they have made ie Stoner and Dovi have been more or less by accident without much in the way of expectations.

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I don’t have great faith in Ducati’s powers of discernment in regard to riders though, the main good choices they have made ie Stoner and Dovi have been more or less by accident without much in the way of expectations.
Agree, and I'll add, replacing Contractslow with Nicky. Nonetheless, Jlo's departure promoted both Miller and Petrucci. I think Miller will have the opportunity to shine if he is to shine. Petrucci has ran the satellite 'factory' spec bike and has several times beat the factory proper team, twice close to a win. There's no reason to disbelieve Miller will have same opportunity. This isn't the old Barros satellite expectations of a junior team where they were expected to stay behind the factory bike. It's Miller's time to prove it now.


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Agree, and I'll add, replacing Contractslow with Nicky. Nonetheless, Jlo's departure promoted both Miller and Petrucci. I think Miller will have the opportunity to shine if he is to shine. Petrucci has ran the satellite 'factory' spec bike and has several times beat the factory proper team, twice close to a win. There's no reason to disbelieve Miller will have same opportunity. This isn't the old Barros satellite expectations of a junior team where they were expected to stay behind the factory bike. It's Miller's time to prove it now.


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Sure, I didn't intend to dismiss Nicky, I regard the whole 800 formula as more or less designed to be anti-Nicky, although the main aim was following a Honda engineering philosophy to which midget riders were theoretically suited. He did about as well as could be expected on the Ducati without risking crashing every second race as Stoner did, and Ducati were mostly on the (obviously futile) path of attempting to transform the 800 Ducati into an 800 Yamaha to suit whomever between Rossi or Lorenzo they could sign for most of his Ducati tenure.
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Regardless of how Dovi and Petrux perform over the next two years, it is pretty much a given now that Ducati isn’t going to be the top destination for any “Aliens” planning to jump ship in the near future.
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Regardless of how Dovi and Petrux perform over the next two years, it is pretty much a given now that Ducati isn’t going to be the top destination for any “Aliens” planning to jump ship in the near future.
I can only think of 15 million reasons to jump ship.

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