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May 28th, 2018, 08:49 AM   #91
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Little Wally, you still don't get the benefits to running multiple spec machines. You get additional rider feedback in real world operating conditions.
Bloatus, you have yet to answer the question I posed. Can anyone in fact say with authority that the satellite teams share their data with the factory teams? And for that matter, are teams also somehow compelled to share rider feedback with competing teams? I've been following the sport for three decades and that question never came up. To feed helpful info to one's competitors seems counter intuitive.
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Bloatus, you have yet to answer the question I posed. Can anyone in fact say with authority that the satellite teams share their data with the factory teams? And for that matter, are teams also somehow compelled to share rider feedback with competing teams? I've been following the sport for three decades and that question never came up. To feed helpful info to one's competitors seems counter intuitive.
Little Methhead, do you actually believe the factories don't know what is going on with their own bikes?
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Little Methhead, do you actually believe the factories don't know what is going on with their own bikes?
Well Bloatus, the factory supplies parts to satellite teams but the teams use their own crews to service the bikes. When Tech 2 go to KTM they bring their own people. They don't all of a sudden dump their mechanics and software people and use the factory people. I have never heard of sharing data with a competitor. Seems like you are assuming this. I've never in all my years heard of this being done. In the past there have been well known spats in garages (like with Rossi and Lorenzo) where a wall was put up to stop sharing info between two teammates. If crews from the same team can stop the sharing of info, why not competitors? If you have a link that proves you're right, by all means share it.
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Jesus, Walt. The importance of more than 2 current spec bikes (or even year old) bikes has been discussed in several articles by several learned people over the years. Why do you think KTM rushed head first into a satellite program after just two seasons?

More data points = more comprehensive development.

If there are more than 2 riders on the same spec bike, they can evaluate the characteristics of each component objectively. If one rider complains that an engine is too aggressive, that’s a personal preference. If two do it, that’s worth investigating. If three or four do it, that’s a pattern. And so on. Plus, more riders mean that the factory riders can concentrate on being fast and focusing on the championship while the grunt work of testing new parts can be done by the other riders. This is what Petrucci had been doing over the past 2 years which is why he rightfully thinks he earned a factory ride.

Even a year old bike provides valuable data to compare how the bikes have changed. As in the case with Yamaha now (U fortunately for them, the part in question is the engine, which is sealed for the season).

Then there are 2 and 3 year old bikes that are leased out to fill the grid like what Avintia and Aspar get. They get no support from the factory and the factory couldn’t care less about their data.
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Jesus, Walt. The importance of more than 2 current spec bikes (or even year old) bikes has been discussed in several articles by several learned people over the years. Why do you think KTM rushed head first into a satellite program after just two seasons?

More data points = more comprehensive development.

If there are more than 2 riders on the same spec bike, they can evaluate the characteristics of each component objectively. If one rider complains that an engine is too aggressive, that’s a personal preference. If two do it, that’s worth investigating. If three or four do it, that’s a pattern. And so on. Plus, more riders mean that the factory riders can concentrate on being fast and focusing on the championship while the grunt work of testing new parts can be done by the other riders. This is what Petrucci had been doing over the past 2 years which is why he rightfully thinks he earned a factory ride.

Even a year old bike provides valuable data to compare how the bikes have changed. As in the case with Yamaha now (U fortunately for them, the part in question is the engine, which is sealed for the season).

Then there are 2 and 3 year old bikes that are leased out to fill the grid like what Avintia and Aspar get. They get no support from the factory and the factory couldn’t care less about their data.
Well Holy Shit! A reasonable reply to a reasonable question! Who knew? As to other discussions of this, I missed those. I would think there has to be some data that would only be shared with competing teams at the discretion of the team manager.

Regarding their going to KTM, as there was no chance of going with Honda, or Suzuki, KTM would seem in any event to be the painfully obvious choice for myriad reasons.

And not to be pedantic, but the impression one gets from various interviews with riders is the difference in the specs between two different iterations is considerable. Forks and brakes and swingarms etc change during the course of the season and a year later, you're looking at a very different set of variables and equations.

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Shhhh donít present facts to the mouthbreathing brigade! Their little hamster brains are gonna go up in flames!
That phrase "mouthbreather" always make me laugh. Where else would you breathe from? Your aris?
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Well Bloatus, the factory supplies parts to satellite teams but the teams use their own crews to service the bikes. When Tech 2 go to KTM they bring their own people. They don't all of a sudden dump their mechanics and software people and use the factory people. I have never heard of sharing data with a competitor. Seems like you are assuming this. I've never in all my years heard of this being done. In the past there have been well known spats in garages (like with Rossi and Lorenzo) where a wall was put up to stop sharing info between two teammates. If crews from the same team can stop the sharing of info, why not competitors? If you have a link that proves you're right, by all means share it.
Itís a one way street with factory and satellite teams. If the satellite team stumbles on something that makes the bike better, the factory can demand to see their data. Not so the other way around.
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That phrase "mouthbreather" always make me laugh. Where else would you breathe from? Your aris?
Your nose, duh
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Your nose, duh
Donít be surprised. Mouthbreathers wouldnít know any better.
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