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May 24th, 2018, 11:55 PM   #41
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I see a sole piece of unverifiable info from a journalist no one has heard of on a malaysian site, citing no sources. That’s not “Widely reported” as you previously claimed.
Everything starts out unverified and moreso this type of scuttlebutt.

For any journalist to use his source for chatter like this will only impact/impede that source dropping the same commentary next time as they (the source) will likely be disciplined and the journalist blacklisted.

Where there is smoke, there is fire but in saying that, I think that the power in the Yamaha team/garage is not with Jarvis
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You do not lose your talent overnight, nor via an excursion to Ducati - as Rossi had showed.

Sure, he may well go back with the tail between the legs but Yamaha could do far worse than welcome him back as afterall, they will have bikes that do not yet have a home.

My opinion only ............. a manufacturer would be absolutely stupid mot to sound out Jorge as we have to remember that Yamaha seem to have gone downhill since he left whilst Ducati went uphill ....... sure, it may be coincidence but then it may be influence
In hindsight his move to Duc was majorly stupid, but then again financial motivation was there and he made a lot of money. And looking at Marc’s form and Yamaha’s issues in 2017 I don’t think he would have made any difference. Just my opinion
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See Barry's link to the same report on what I believe is an Italian site, possibly where the other site obtained it, not that I see any reason why a report from Malaysia, a country with its own GP (EDIT and premier class competitor), should be inherently unreliable. Perhaps 'well' which is what I actually said rather than 'widely' was an exaggeration, but as I said anticipating your reply it is what you choose to believe, and you guys are happy to accept David Emmett's not infrequently speculative reports when it suits you.
It's another article that syndicates the same reporter.

Why haven't any credible news outlet syndicated it or reported directly?

p.s. The country of Malaysia has nothing to do with the fact that the news site you quoted has a Malaysian domain and no track record.
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In hindsight his move to Duc was majorly stupid, but then again financial motivation was there and he made a lot of money. And looking at Marc’s form and Yamaha’s issues in 2017 I don’t think he would have made any difference. Just my opinion
J.Lo wanted Rossi Money and Rossi fame.
He got the first and the Rossi Ducati track record as a bonus.
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Ok I understand what you meant now. And I agree with you to some degree on some folks being too harsh on criticizing Marc’s apology timing but I think at least based on what I’ve read that most of Rossi’s fans were rather questioning the sincerity of the apology and if he genuinely wanted to apologize or was he just doing it because Puig told him so and to avoid another lash out from Rossi’s fans. Either way it’s all moot as I don’t think those two will ever be on good terms again after 2015.
To address the feasibility of the pass, Marc admitted being at fault, race direction ruled he was at fault and I understand if some of his fans think the move was feasible but these are the facts. I don’t think Marc would say he was at fault just to calm everyone down.

Anyways, we shouldn’t clog this thread about Marc and Rossi this is supposed to be about Jorge.
He said he was at fault because he had a minor lose, he did not say the pass wasn't feasible.

The issue is the disparity with the Jerez 2011 pass which was in much worse conditions and was not feasible as Rossi demonstrated by putting his bike down, taking Stoner out for which he was not penalised, and Stoner who was the injured party being pilloried for a much milder reaction to Rossi's attempt at an apology than MM received from Rossi's garage.

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In hindsight his move to Duc was majorly stupid, but then again financial motivation was there and he made a lot of money. And looking at Marc’s form and Yamaha’s issues in 2017 I don’t think he would have made any difference. Just my opinion

Financial .......... yes

But I suspect that it was not the only motivator given the antipathy that had enveloped the Yamaha garage and like Rossi before him Lorenzo did not and would not have questioned his ability so for him, the decision would have been a no brainer when you weigh all up.

I stand by the interesting 'coincidence' that Lorenzo leaves Yamaha and backward they go whilst at the same time Ducati rise but I happily cede that Gabbarini back at Ducati may have been helpful as well.

Fact remains that no matter if or how he may have helped Ducati become better, he has not helped himself meet the challenge so I fully suspect that he will be else where and when he does, he will again be considered a front runner as he will get results,
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It's another article that syndicates the same reporter.

Why haven't any credible news outlet syndicated it or reported directly?

p.s. The country of Malaysia has nothing to do with the fact that the news site you quoted has a Malaysian domain and no track record.
At least it actually exists, as I say the original source seems to be a Spanish or Italian site, whereas you 'liked' a post from your fellow partisan in which it was contended that Uccio had invented being the author of the PI 2015 MM helping Lorenzo by beating him conspiracy theory, and that Uccio must have had Rossi's approval to tell MM to fuck off when he appeared at the front of the garage despite Rossi being well behind him.

This is a tactic from those of your ilk when challenged, to try to pick on some minor detail which in this case had some substance anyway while ignoring the main thrust of an argument; I should know, I have debated fiercer Rossi partisans than you.
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At least it actually exists, as I say the original source seems to be a Spanish or Italian site, whereas you 'liked' a post from your fellow partisan in which it was contended that Uccio had invented being the author of the PI 2015 MM helping Lorenzo by beating him conspiracy theory, and that Uccio must have had Rossi's approval to tell MM to fuck off when he appeared at the front of the garage despite Rossi being well behind him.

This is a tactic from those of your ilk when challenged, to try to pick on some minor detail which in this case had some substance anyway while ignoring the main thrust of an argument; I should know, I have debated fiercer Rossi partisans than you.
I can find an article that actually exists about the earth being flat.
Does it have credibility because it exists?
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J.Lo wanted Rossi Money and Rossi fame.
He got the first and the Rossi Ducati track record as a bonus.

€12m a year is a lot of money, I wonder if he knew he would struggle at Duc if he’d still done it or stay at Yamaha.
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I can find an article that actually exists about the earth being flat.
Does it have credibility because it exists?
I'll bet you think the Apollo missions went to the moon and not some crappy Nevada film set don't you?..
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