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May 23rd, 2018, 05:15 PM   #61
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Lorenzo was the same (at least post-Assen 2013).

When everything lined up, he was faster than Rossi. However, his off days were lower than Rossi's. More simply put, his highs were higher but his lows were lower.
Except for the perhaps slightly inconvenient fact that Jorge actually managed to win 3 world titles over a time period during which Valentino won none.

None of these guys are infinitely adaptable, and historically maybe only Hailwood and Lawson could ride absolutely anything, and I am obviously not relying on my own observations where Hailwood is concerned.

I suspect MM could ride anything, but everyone including me and probably Valentino himself thought that of Rossi before the Ducati adventure, and even MM was not really prospering on the original tire last season.
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Except for the perhaps slightly inconvenient fact that Jorge actually managed to win 3 world titles over a time period during which Valentino won none.
My comment was confined to post-Assen 2013. Even in 2015, Rossi's highs and lows were closer to each other.

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None of these guys are infinitely adaptable, and historically maybe only Hailwood and Lawson could ride absolutely anything, and I am obviously not relying on my own observations where Hailwood is concerned.
I wonder if that would be true in this day and age.

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I suspect MM could ride anything, but everyone including me and probably Valentino himself thought that of Rossi before the Ducati adventure, and even MM was not really prospering on the original tire last season.
Agreed. Good point.
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I was doing a comparison between rossi and the other riders. What I found was that rossi sucked more, more consistently and over a longer time period.
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My comment was confined to post-Assen 2013. Even in 2015, Rossi's highs and lows were closer to each other.
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I don’t really agree, I think Jorge was consistently faster in the dry, with Rossi having the odd good track.

What mainly happened in 2015, apart from MM obstinately refusing to accept that he and the 2015 Honda had any limitations and persistently throwing the thing down the road, was that there were an unusual number of wet or damp races, conditions in which Rossi was far superior to Jorge. Neither he nor Jorge are in control of the weather, and Rossi would have fully deserved the title if he had won by being better in the prevailing conditions obviously. What he didn’t have was a right to keep his points lead with no competition from anyone but Jorge when things were more favourable to Jorge in the late season races.

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You guys have conveniently forgotten that from the moment Lorenzo anounced he was quitting Yam. he subjected to "the Spies Treatment" by Yamaha.

It resulted in the only time in the past 5 years that rossi performed better than Lorenzo on the Yam.
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You guys have conveniently forgotten that from the moment Lorenzo anounced he was quitting Yam. he subjected to "the Spies Treatment" by Yamaha.

It resulted in the only time in the past 5 years that rossi performed better than Lorenzo on the Yam.
I don't know when you look at the breakdown for the season the difference between Rossi and Lorenzo isn't that great.

Rossi, points 249, wins 2, 2nd 6, 3rd 2, fastest laps 2, pole positions 3, laps in 1st place 78.

Lorenzo, points 233, wins 4, 2nd 3, 3rd 3, fastest laps 2, pole positions 4, laps in 1st place 105.

Hardly makes it a Spies experience does it?
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My comment was confined to post-Assen 2013. Even in 2015, Rossi's highs and lows were closer to each other.
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I donít really agree, I think Jorge was consistently faster in the dry, with Rossi having the odd good track.

What mainly happened in 2015, apart from MM obstinately refusing to accept that he and the 2015 Honda had any limitations and persistently throwing his bike down the road, was that there were an unusual number of wet or damp races, conditions in which Rossi was far superior to Jorge. Neither he nor Jorge are in control of the weather, and Rossi would have fully deserved the title if he had won by being better in the prevailing conditions obviously. What he didnít have was a right to keep his points lead with no competition from anyone but Jorge when things were more favourable to Jorge in the late season races.
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You guys have conveniently forgotten that from the moment Lorenzo anounced he was quitting Yam. he subjected to "the Spies Treatment" by Yamaha.

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Yep, despite Jorge winning that year, Yamaha didn't exactly look ecstatic.
Even though Jorge was leaving, the reactions of the Yam' higher-ups when he won the title, made it perfectly clear as to why he decided to go.
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I was doing a comparison between rossi and the other riders. What I found was that rossi sucked more, more consistently and over a longer time period.

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Interesting interview with Mir about this pre-contract. Mir: "Nothing has been signed" | MotoGP?

Can't find anything from Honda about it. But I expect he will stay in Moto2 next year as he will have a good chance of winning the series. If that happens then Pedrosa will stay 1 more year which would allow Mir to take his seat in 2020, this would muck up the other teams interested in him as it seems they all do the odd years for contracts.
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