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May 22nd, 2018, 05:21 AM   #31
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If HRC can keep the bike as sorted out as it currently is in coming seasons I would have to agree. Historically though they go through a pretty regular cycle of having a great bike for a period of time and then spoiling it with new and improved gimmickry.
I believe last year was that year. I am a big Dovi fan but like I said, I think his success was slightly based on how off honda and yamaha were with the new simpler electronics package. I believe that honda will go through a low when Pedrosa is gone the same way yamaha has after losing JLo. Mir isn't going to be any help developing the bike and I don't think Marcs freakish information is useful. The same way I don;t think Stoners was. How useful is it to develop a bike around a rider who rides differently than anyone else? Both these riders can make a pile of hit look fast so how do you gather information to develop a sound bike?
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HRC knew about the spec electronic ruling far in advance of it being applied. They had all of 2016 and 2017 to learn how to use it. I don't seriously think Ducati's understanding of it changed that drastically over the course of the last season. There were changes made to the Duc that simply worked well for Dovi who's confidence just grew and grew. It's just too easy to discount the idea that Dovi just became a better rider. Too reminiscent of the whole Ducati rides itself line of thought aimed then at Stoner
Not Ducatis understanding of the electronics but magnelli's. Honda switched to Magnelli after struggling with it while Ducati seem to be the only ones with it sorted early on. The only bike not running that system is yamaha. Hence they are still struggling.
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They are all running the same ecu dubs. Its the rules.
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Not Ducatis understanding of the electronics but magnelli's. Honda switched to Magnelli after struggling with it while Ducati seem to be the only ones with it sorted early on. The only bike not running that system is yamaha. Hence they are still struggling.
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They are all running the same ecu dubs. Its the rules.
He's right Dub. It's a spec ecu. Has been for two years.
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They are all running the same ecu dubs. Its the rules.
Right but from what I have heard yamaha is the only doing there own thing developing the system to make it work. And from both he riders words where they are furthest behind is in the electronics department.

"Normally what all the manufacturers do is they develop a sort of interface tool - in-between their calculations and the calibration tool we give - which is easier for them to use and generate a calibration in the software language," Cecchinelli explained.

"Everybody is developing their own proprietary interface that goes 'upstream' of the calibration tool."


I have heard a few times during race weekends but don't have any proof in writing that all but yamaha are working with magnelli on the interface tool.
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No custom IMUs next year. Ducatis will go backwards.
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The only rider beating MM at this point is MM.

He's not going to win every race obviously, but this year it's looking apparent he is on another planet with how he is riding. Sure it helps Yamaha shot their foot off and that Ducati is having that old Ducati luck again. But at Le Mans, does anyone really think he was pushing 100% once he got in the lead? I don't. Never looked like he was going all out. He just pushed enough to open up a decent gap on Petrucci and then rode to bring the bike home since the surface was unforgiving as all hell. Mugello to me is the only wild card circuit for him since the long straight is going to make for an interesting race as long as Dovi is in the mix. Early feeling is it will be a Dovi/Marc battle there.

Joan Mir is talented, but he isn't the next MM. If they go with him over Pedrosa, there won't be anything wrong with that. They'll likely have a highly competent rider in that seat to bring home valuable constructor's points.
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It's all very relative, I suppose. MM almost got engaged in a couple of crashes at the beginning and needed to hang back until that rear tire came up to temperature. He also made a save with his elbow, that would have been a crash for anyone else. Maybe he should be called "Elbows" or "Codos Dos". If that is a cruise race for MM, then everyone else might as well split the rest of the points behind 25, until he retires.
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My instincts say that Mir will be a Honda mistake, like Miller, or over rated like Vinales.
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He did push Marc. But I say it was because Ducati had the electronics figure out compared to the rest. Honda and suzuki being slightly lost while yamaha is completely lost by not using magnelli like the rest. That alone made the ducati look more competitive, like they turned a corner when in actuality the other manufacturers went backwards. The honda and yamaha are still the superior bikes but yamaha is really fucking lost.
He obviously pushed him very hard, but more on race craft than 1 lap pace imo, although he did have great pace as well. He and/or Ducati couldn’t get the bike to work at some circuits, which was crucial towards the end of the season. I agree with your later post that Dovi’s excellent riding gets discounted, particularly given like Stoner he is so far ahead of other Ducati riders. The same probably applies to MM in 2015, 2016 and to some extent 2017, the Honda was a difficult bike for several years.
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