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May 19th, 2018, 01:55 PM   #81
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Miller is overrated IMO.

The talk about him is endless, yes he has the win in the rain at Assen, and the pole in Argentina where he took a massive gamble to get that pole. He couldn't convert into a win. Doesn't mean he isn't talented but he has no business on the factory Ducati. Petrucci whom I dislike for various reasons is a far better fit on that bike.

So why is Petrucci a better fit?

Yes I am biased but to me Miller has shown thus far in 2018 in his first year on the bike that he has enough over Petrucci to as a minimum be his equal which being the younger is a more attractive aspect for the factory.

Miller is no championship threat now or I suspect into the future but nor is Petrucci with both being quite close in the points with Miller on the 2017 and Petrucci on the 2018).

Yes Petrucci smiles a lot and has that funny little lilt in the accent but for mine he is as undeserving of a factory ride is Miller if one is to use career to date.

Sure Petrucci had a good 2017 with the inclememt weather podiums but one good season does not a rider make .
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Miller is overrated IMO.

The talk about him is endless, yes he has the win in the rain at Assen, and the pole in Argentina where he took a massive gamble to get that pole. He couldn't convert into a win. Doesn't mean he isn't talented but he has no business on the factory Ducati. Petrucci whom I dislike for various reasons is a far better fit on that bike.
Maaaaan why do you dislike Danilo? He's such an awesome guy I can promise you that.
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Maaaaan why do you dislike Danilo? He's such an awesome guy I can promise you that.


Probably for his blatantly made himself as wide as possible in Valencia 2015 for Rossi to go past him because Rossi was “fighting “ for a championship
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Probably for his blatantly made himself as wide as possible in Valencia 2015 for Rossi to go past him because Rossi was “fighting “ for a championship

I didn't like that either but it doesn't change my opinion on Petrux
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We've had such a long string of champions that we can afford to be generous about letting lesser countries win a few.
Shame they didn't apply that to golf ie Brookline in 1999 However that issue was dealt with by quite a few US players after the match when they realised.
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I've met Petrucci outside the guard of the paddock, he's a cool dude, likeable, nice, etc.; but it really bothered me that he so blatantly made a mockery of the Valencia race by moving out of Rossi's way in such spectacular fashion. I feel like if a person is willing to do that so publicly, what other things is he willing to do to bend principles. Perhaps it's a bit harsh to judge him for that singular moment, maybe not, who knows. But that left an impression on me. I don't rate Miller better or worse than Petrucci in terms of potential. I think either one will do fine. But the last time they dangled a carrot (Redding vs Petrux) it really mobilized Petrucci who came up on top. With his front row start tomorrow it's obvious that he has extra motivation, Miller should be aware of it and respond. Personally, I'd give the nod to Miller, but if they go with Petrucci I'm ok with it too. Neither of them will do worse than Jorge, plus they'll cost a hell of a lot less. Not to mention Lorenzo has become a hostile employee.

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Probably for his blatantly made himself as wide as possible in Valencia 2015 for Rossi to go past him because Rossi was “fighting “ for a championship
Bingo.

Disgusting behavior.
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So why is Petrucci a better fit?

Yes I am biased but to me Miller has shown thus far in 2018 in his first year on the bike that he has enough over Petrucci to as a minimum be his equal which being the younger is a more attractive aspect for the factory.

Miller is no championship threat now or I suspect into the future but nor is Petrucci with both being quite close in the points with Miller on the 2017 and Petrucci on the 2018).

Yes Petrucci smiles a lot and has that funny little lilt in the accent but for mine he is as undeserving of a factory ride is Miller if one is to use career to date.

Sure Petrucci had a good 2017 with the inclememt weather podiums but one good season does not a rider make .
For the record I don't even like Petrucci but Miller gets far too much hype for no good reason. He's on the Chris Vermeulen tier of Aussie riders and Vermeulen was a better rider anyhow. What was bad was Miller being unable to convert a pole position into a podium at minimum.
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I hold Doohan and Stoner in the highest regard.

Miller is neither of the two nor has he shown any flash of brilliance that would make you go, "Aha, this kid could be the next great Australian rider." He's not it. Doesn't mean he can't be a good rider, but you can clearly see he has a ceiling that is being hit and his success has been luck based with regards to the Assen win and the Argentina pole that he couldn't convert into a podium finish. Marquez chose to settle for second in Assen rather than risk chasing him down for a win.

He might be amusing to listen to and does get points for calling Hodgson a wanker on camera, but we would have seen the brilliance by now if he was going to be the next great Australian. By his third season Mick Doohan had multiple wins and only got stronger from there before his crash. But once he was fully recovered by 1994, he absolutely demolished the 500cc World Championship till 1999.

Stoner's resume speaks for itself. As soon as he got off the LCR, the wins started racking up in spite of riding the most difficult 4 stroke bikes ever built.

Just say Miller gets promoted to the factory Ducati team if Lorenzo leaves. He is going to have his hands full with Dovi and he isn't going to win that battle. Not a fan of Petrucci as already mentioned, but he is a better fit for that seat than Miller is.
Agreed. Miller doesn't have it.
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Shame they didn't apply that to golf ie Brookline in 1999 However that issue was dealt with by quite a few US players after the match when they realised.
Golf? Is that a sport now? 🤔
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