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May 18th, 2018, 08:48 AM   #21
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The 1000 looks good. Might buy one in the near future. Don't like that they look the 1000 stickers off though and molded 1000 into a plastic piece.
Go the whole hog and get one made in polished ss.
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This is not much more than a bar rumor, but I still consider it interesting.

According to this rumor, Vinales and his management started to talk with Davide Brivio and asked if there is a possibility for them to get back to Suzuki.

Vinales would be afraid of losing his best years (in terms of potential, age and therefore physical/mental shape) due to Yamaha's apparent inability to provide him a competitive bike and to work around his needs to be competitive.

Since he already has a signed Yamaha contract, Suzuki and/or him would obviously pay all penalties.

Now this could be bullshit but I know for a fact (and at times it is obvious even on TV) that he is pissed off/frustrated at Yamaha right now.

Guess we'll see. What do you think?
Stands to reason ..... the only rider who has seemed to be "ok" with being on rossis team was edwards, and he seemed happy just to collect the salary. I cant see a young bloke like Vinales just being there for the money and if he is being hindered to play second fiddle to rossi .... then yeah he'd be pissed.
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Dunno. I mean I kinda agree if I look at him now, but it has to be said that when he had his Yamaha like he wanted it to be (end of 2016/beginning of 2017) he was significantly faster than anyone else.
That’s the thing If there is substance to this I guess, as has been said, when he was at Suzuki and if he had stayed the bike would have been developed around him. He perhaps doesn’t see much prospect of that at Yamaha, short or long term. Valentino will have a big say even if he is theoretically a satellite team, and will have his own protégés.

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Rins signed his contract just in time... There is a potential for a quality rider to be stuck with out a team next year (at least a decent team)
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This is not much more than a bar rumor, but I still consider it interesting.

According to this rumor, Vinales and his management started to talk with Davide Brivio and asked if there is a possibility for them to get back to Suzuki.

Vinales would be afraid of losing his best years (in terms of potential, age and therefore physical/mental shape) due to Yamaha's apparent inability to provide him a competitive bike and to work around his needs to be competitive.

Since he already has a signed Yamaha contract, Suzuki and/or him would obviously pay all penalties.

Now this could be bullshit but I know for a fact (and at times it is obvious even on TV) that he is pissed off/frustrated at Yamaha right now.

Guess we'll see. What do you think?
Bar rumor indeed. Good of you to qualify it as such. I've partied with some paddock workers and GP vendors, the conversation get real interesting after a few brews. In the last year I've hosted some paddock workers and the son of a vendor (started off as, hey can you show a buddy around that is visiting LA) and have since become very genuine personal friends. Baseball games, shooting range (Euros seem to like to have a real American experience) and various other activities, theme parks, Hollywood tours, etc. stuff like that. From what I gather, the paddock is like one big family, close and disfunctional, like most communities. The US is far from the Euro racing dynamic, and I sometimes feel like its refreshing to hang-out here which I sense allows them to let their guard down a bit. I’ve never heard anything super juicy that I haven’t got from just watching, listening, reading, and observing the dynamic we are all privy to anyway.

To rift off of what you’re saying though, rumor or not, it is obvious from watching Mav that he is unhappy at Yamaha. Listen, Lorenzo is a multiple Yamaha champion and his style was the perfect fit for the M1, on the heels of a title, where Yamaha beat their arch rival Honda, he left (in reality he was pushed out)! I can’t remember who said this recently, I think it was Lorenzo’s agent, but he said it was ‘hell’ at Yamaha under Rossi’s influence. [EDIT: or was this Zarco's agent? I'm sure someone will correct me. ] This dynamic didn’t magically disappear, and I’d say it's actually gotten worse, considering the ‘mechanisms of tire “democracy “’ last year, and the “new” changes to the racing rules, that is, it's not only a ‘Yamaha’ thing Vinalez is contending with a Rossi-centric dynamic, as I’ve said before, he has realized what it's like to be Dorna’s “teammate” (you get my meaning)? I seriously doubt Mav is considering Cuntslowing his contract, but as to the message that he is unhappy, yeah, no shit, just observe his body language, not to mention he said he has to “bite his tongue” (I’m sure I’ve read him say this). Why would he have to "bite his tongue"? I'm no longer a Lorenzo fan, but Ducati couldn't have enticed him to ride their career killer bike if he was happy at Yahama. Why wasn't Lorenzo happy at Yamaha?
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He could be using something like this as a bargaining chip with Yamaha. He threatens something like this and forces Yamaha to commit to him as their number 1 rider?
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So Maverick returns to Suzuki, Jorge to Yamaha & Iannone to Ducati. It would be funny
Don't forget, Cuntwhore to Ducati. (Since we're talking rumors).
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He could be using something like this as a bargaining chip with Yamaha. He threatens something like this and forces Yamaha to commit to him as their number 1 rider?
Perhaps. Won't work though given Zarco was not retained. The Yamaha's project has one goal, and Mav isn't part of it.
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Yeah, the hole in this story is, Maverick signed his Yamaha deal (And a 2 year one, not a 1 year wait and see contract) real early. At a time when Iannone was knee deep in shit at Suzuki.
Life would have been so much simpler if he had just signed for Suzuki after 2017.

I wouldn’t base anything on his expressions when the bike doesn’t work his way. He has always been that way, looking like a sourpuss when things are not 100% the way he wants them to be.

That said, he left Suzuki on very good terms and they said the door is always open for him.
So we have to wait and see.
Agree. He may be unhappy, but he isn't going anywhere. That seat is simply too good. As good as Suzuki 'may become' it will still have to compete with the factory Yamaha and Honda.

Remembering Hopkins kicked his Suckzuki, sure, agree, they all look dissatisfied when their bikes are not working, but there is an observable degree of difference in their outward behavior by riders that can be distinguished and how much they are willing to throw their employer under the bus. Here's look at you Cuntwhore...

Lorenzo is the only one I see looking at Suzuki as his Savior. Meanwhile I'm enjoying his Ducati shit show. (Though I will say, he probably has a win or a podium coming at somepoint in the season this year on a Marc/Dovi off day).
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The 1000 looks good. Might buy one in the near future. Don't like that they look the 1000 stickers off though and molded 1000 into a plastic piece.
I tried one for a bit when it was launched. Easily the most comfortable 1000 out there. You could do long rides on it without any trouble.
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