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May 19th, 2018, 09:15 PM   #111
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Well brother, I gotta disagree and point out an important distinction, thing is Petrucci and Rossi were not teammates, they were not even riding for the same manufacturer. Pulling over in the way he did was a big fuck you to the principles of proper rival competition, no doubt he signed that ridiculous petition for riders to pull over for Rossi with his actions. Thank Dog for Ant West! An Aussie of principle. No bullshit, I've sent that bloke a donation to his racing effort. That's not a double standard my friend when we're talking 'team orders' by your employer running the same 'team' vs some rogue activist yahoo pulling over for a guy who (on principle) should have been suspended from the race.

Second, Dovi could have likely passed Lorenzo, but it would have required a high risk, perhaps even contact, if they go down ala Iannone, we'd all be crucifying Dovi. And as a point of fact, Dovi did get by Lorenzo. The way it happened tells me something about the way Lorenzo was riding to keep Dovi behind. Lorenzo used his skill to block Dovi at Valencia with a pace that was unsustainable, he had done it at Malaysia and almost went down because he was on the limit to keep Dovi behind too, and he did it again at Jerez this year with stupid soft tires that were dropping off a cliff. Lorenzo has acted like a cock, he ignored spectacularly his employer's demands; moreover, we can't even say he has redeemed himself with performance because he's been shite. I'm glad it appears Ducati haven't taken this laying down.

And I'll add for good measure Compa, Ducati should have written in some performance clauses to the compensation package. Shitty negotiation on their part given Lorenzo was desperate to leave Yamaha, Ducati had some leverage, they overpaid. Argentina was embarrassing. If you saw Ducati team principal talking about the second seat, he made it clear, Lorenzo is on the chop block. They probably could have tolerated Lorenzo's shit performance but the way he thumbed his nose in a crucial moment contesting a championship is, I hope, going to have consequence. You should be happy Birdy, Lorenzo's shit behavior looks to be tabling a 50/50 chance that your boy Jacky gets a full factory seat. I say good, fuck Lorenzo, he can eat a dick.



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I’d rather they all ride like Lorenzo, ie selfishly for themselves, than like Petrucci who picks and chooses. Riders like Petrucci devalue the championship to me. It’s one thing Motogp has always had over F1, no team orders. The sport has been based on wanting to beat everyone out there, especially your teammate.

Lorenzo pissed me off no end pulling his finger out with that sudden late season pace, coincidentally just when Dovi was in with a shot. But that’s because I’m a Dovi fan. Neutral observers I would guess didn’t care one way or the other. I remember Pov citing team orders were in play at Sepang when clearly they were not, at least not for Lorenzo. He is a cunt, but then I’m sure Marquez fans would be livid if Ducati team orders decided the championship, and I wouldn’t blame them. I think the irony is Ducati will go for Petrucci over Miller because Petrucci will pull aside and Miller likely won’t, or at least is more unpredictable.
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I think the irony is Ducati will go for Petrucci over Miller because Petrucci will pull aside and Miller likely won’t, or at least is more unpredictable.

Interesting question (for all).

If Ducati were to do that, does that not then mean that Ducati are thinking for Dovi and not the team?

Does that mean that they are doing no different to what many accuse yamaha of in the era?



I admit that I am concerned for Miller for the same reasons as for me, Miller is a racer who wants results which may not play well if you have a clear defined #1
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He took a gamble that paid off, it was luck, nothing more. More impressive was he didn't crash and injure himself. Ultimately pole position meant fuck all since he couldn't convert it even with that grid advantage into a win or podium.

Let me know when he pulls the same thing off that MM did at the Sachsenring with the slicks switch in wet conditions in the middle of a grand prix and I'll have a different assessment of him. Let's face it, at Argentina, taking away the bullshit penalties he could not match MM's pace period.

MM is the measuring stick and Miller ain't in the same league.

This is literally the same stuff the Brits go on about with Cuntslow and any other British rider who comes into GP. Blinded by nationality.
Man it’s going to be hard to chase these shifting goalposts but I’ll give it a crack. I’m happily blinded by nationality. I don’t think Ducati are though. They apparently see something in Miller. History indicates they took a punt on Stoner, so I ain’t going to argue with them.

Marquez is the measuring stick? I’m not arguing for Honda to replace Marquez with Miller. Since you felt compelled to bring it up, then I’d argue, strictly speaking, it’s Rossi. Marquez hasn’t surpassed him at this point. Rossi entered the class on a factory backed private team. Marquez walked straight into the most well funded and most successful team in modern gp history. One up for Rossi. It just happened to be on a 500cc two stroke. Two up. After a meer 3 championships, with many more garanteed on the V5, Rossi picked up sticks and went off to Yamaha which were a bit of a basket case at that time. Like him or not, am I’m clearly a not, it was a fuckin ballsy move. He had no idea Yamaha could pull it together. 3 up on Marquez. Rossi then beats the younger brigade on yet another class change 800cc. We will have to wait and see if and when Marquez faces such a challenge if he can better that, or keep riding around at 39 when he has absolutely nothing to prove.
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Makes no difference if peeps think Miller is overrated or not, the people that matter ie Ducati rate him and he is almost garanteed a factory bike regardless.

Most likely Petrucci moves up and his pulling aside for Rossi helps because it means he might understand map 8. Out of interest those condemning Petrucci wouldn’t be employing a double standard on Lorenzo? Personally I think JLo did the right thing, because it was real. Much as I like Dovi, can’t pass you’re teammate then simply not world champ.

Millers ‘lucky’ pole. Now that’s a good one from the armchair as it gets. Let’s review: Miller, Crashslow and Marquez fit slicks in dicey conditions. Cal gives up, Marquez, the man who sets the standard, pulls in as well. The lesser talented second tier Miller stays out there, initially 5 seconds or more off the pace, slowly builds heat into tires somehow without crashing, then has the talent to put in an astounding lap. It’s as rare as hens teeth seeing Marquez out ridden and peeps say yawn, move along nothing to see here?

Standing track side watching Miller lead the Australian Grand Prix at Phillip Island, knowing the history of the place with Gardner, Doohan and Stoner you might have to forgive me for cheering on Miller. I rate the guy, he has shown flashes he now needs to bring the consistency. If nothing else if he can provide the occasional competition to Marquez dominance of the sport it will be a good thing. The current yardstick is likely the goat, with Yamaha and Lorenzo busy screwing themselves up, and Zarco off to a second tier ride ANY competition for Marquez will be welcome in my book.
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Miller gets a 19 bike next year no matter what. That ought to make him happy after getting leftovers from Honda for a while. Plus, he likes it at Pramac.

The strong likelihood is for Petrux to move to the factory, not because he is head and shoulders above Miller or because he’s Italian, but because he has had two years under his belt developing the current spec Desmocedici and that’s a skill they can really use within the factory team (and not waste time developing special seats for J.Lo).

Miller is still young and if he puts in good performances on a GP19 next year, he will definitely get an opportunity next year.
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Just finished watching Moto2 warmup.
Mir is going to MotoGP waaaay before Mini Marquez.
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Miller gets a 19 bike next year no matter what. That ought to make him happy after getting leftovers from Honda for a while. Plus, he likes it at Pramac.

The strong likelihood is for Petrux to move to the factory, not because he is head and shoulders above Miller or because he’s Italian, but because he has had two years under his belt developing the current spec Desmocedici and that’s a skill they can really use within the factory team (and not waste time developing special seats for J.Lo).

Miller is still young and if he puts in good performances on a GP19 next year, he will definitely get an opportunity next year.


One thing that is true (from an observation point) - is that Ducati do fully support their #2 team.

As I said elsewhere, they are the only manufacturer who genuinely seems to be a 4 bike factory team (were such a thing to truly exist).
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One thing that is true (from an observation point) - is that Ducati do fully support their #2 team.

As I said elsewhere, they are the only manufacturer who genuinely seems to be a 4 bike factory team (were such a thing to truly exist).
True. Something KTM will replicate next year as well.
The true “Private” spirit is rapidly dying in MotoGP, but if you look at where MarcVDS and Avintia are, why wouldn’t you want to be more like Pramac?
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Few available riders .......... but even then one could ask the question that after being stung twice with big dollar spends that have produced nothing, would Ducati even pursue a highly expensive rider?

No doubt Dovi is getting expensive now but they would have gotten him at a bargain to start and the combination of the two has increased his value -- as a business you can cope with that.







Used to be able to play (had a handicap of 5) but then my eyesight gave up (should have listened to mum all those years back) and I simply got bored with it.

That said ........... a tv sport it aint lol
Best I ever got was a handicap of 12, but then I did play twice a week, regardless of the weather, can't play atm with this dumb arm, no rotation and only a 2/3rds swing.

I'd like to see Marc VDS with Suzuki.
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I played golf for a long time, it's very much a sport. Making this kind of comment is ignorant.

One of the most mentally grueling sports I've ever played. There is a lot of physicality required to play professionally and unless you've played it's hard to appreciate how good those guys are and what they can do to a golf ball.
Just having the piss dude. I used to caddy when I was a kid. I've mentioned this before, that KR Sr. has spoken before about how challenging golf is. As to the physicality, look at Tiger Woods whose life is shit after multiple back surgeries from golf related injuries.
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