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May 14th, 2018, 04:48 PM   #61
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if my memory serves me, Colin would have won the title with a second place but went for and got the win anyway.
Itís a shame he wasted so many years being Rossiís mule. That was a high point of wsbk and we were robbed of seeing Bayliss, Corser, and Edwards battle it out for a prolonged period
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L Ron who had been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic was actually opposed to psychiatry, and Scientology has sought to discredit psychiatry at all opportunities.

I have no problem with psychiatry, a scientific medical discipline. It is really cod psychology with which I have the problem.
I just watched a documentary on him and his cult. The guy was a looney of the highest order. That thousands of people get in line to buy into his craziness and live their lives in accordance with his beliefs is enough to fill anyone with existential despair. Pretty much how I feel about religion these days. I just try not to think about it. I think that informs my attitude to boppers as well.
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Scientology is opposed to both. Reason I ask is because you wrote that and I know they had gained a foothold in Oz.
I’ve read a from him as a youth and about him as an adult. The psychology behind cultists and serial criminals is fascinating to me. He was a brillant warped mind. I don’t believe he was ever diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic though I could be wrong. I do know he fits all the criteria for antisocial personality disorder. Very much identical personality traits as Trump.
Anyway its’s a race thread so I won’t divert the topic any longer. Your statement just peaked my interest.

I agree with your dislike of cod. Despite growing up in a New England fishing town, seafood never appealed to me
I don't even like his science fiction, and I am an avid science fiction fan as we have discussed, preferring A E Van Vogt and Cordwainer Smith as far as psychotic science fiction writers go.

People are absolutely entitled to their belief systems as far as I am concerned, but surely there must be better ones around than one invented pretty much overnight as far as I can tell by a science fiction writer.
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I don't even like his science fiction, and I am an avid science fiction fan as we have discussed, preferring A E Van Vogt and Cordwainer Smith as far as psychotic science fiction writers go.

People are absolutely entitled to their belief systems as far as I am concerned, but surely there must be better ones around than one invented pretty much overnight as far as I can tell by a science fiction writer.
I read him as a teen. I recall it being the standard adventure fiction that was popular mid century. I doubt I would think very highly of it now.
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I understand all this and it is exactly why I'm not a fan. I never liked showmen. The ideal kind of sportsman/rider I've always looked up to would be a guy like Ricky Carmichael or Ryan Dungey.

Humble, never flashy, going out there to get the job done.

I loved Casey because even with the obvious limits of his personality, he was always real, or raw if you'd like.

I love Dovi because he talks and looks like an underdog even when he is winning.

In a world where everyone thinks they're entitled to consider themsleves better than anyone else, being simple is a huge quality.

But these are just my 2 cents
I kind of agree with you that those tend to be more likable to me but if THEY want to make money, lots of money that is what you got to do and more so in today's 'internet/social media' world. Great athlete = $, Great athlete and flashy = $$$$$$$
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I kind of agree with you that those tend to be more likable to me but if THEY want to make money, lots of money that is what you got to do and more so in today's 'internet/social media' world. Great athlete = $, Great athlete and flashy = $$$$$$$

this depends. Not sure if you're into American motocross/Supercross but I'll try: take a guy like Ryan Dungey. Prolly as far as one can be from being a showman. Yet sponsors LOVED him just for that, he was the guy next door.
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this depends. Not sure if you're into American motocross/Supercross but I'll try: take a guy like Ryan Dungey. Prolly as far as one can be from being a showman. Yet sponsors LOVED him just for that, he was the guy next door.
How do you bring up Dungey and forget Villopoto. RV waxed Dungeys ass his whole career and had a similar persona, but slightly more emotional.
Dungey was like a whipped dog. Itís one of the reasons I never liked him very much. No matter how much he got beat, it never seemed to bother him.

I get why you liked him, heís a class guy but he seemed like he was always going through the motions and resorted himself to second place. He reminds me a lot of Dovi
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Lorenzo Assen 2013 less than 48 hours after breaking his collarbone and having it operated on would have to be up there.
Amazing ride. I still think the emotional and physical toll of that ride affected him a lot subsequently.
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How do you bring up Dungey and forget Villopoto. RV waxed Dungeys ass his whole career and had a similar persona, but slightly more emotional.
Dungey was like a whipped dog. It’s one of the reasons I never liked him very much. No matter how much he got beat, it never seemed to bother him.

I get why you liked him, he’s a class guy but he seemed like he was always going through the motions and resorted himself to second place. He reminds me a lot of Dovi
I liked Villopoto more than I liked Dungey. I mentioned Dungey in order to bring an example to help anyone reading getting a better idea of what I was saying

However since you mentioned it and since I like American motocross almost as much as I like MotoGP I'll be going OT and give you my opinion.

Talent, speed and technique wise there's no comparison. RV > RD and honestly that's not debatable IMHO.

I only reckon Dungey comes off as a more chilled dude, which brings us back to the example I made above about sponsors loving him. Dungey had that "I'm just a nice kid" appeal, nothing could touch him like you say.

RV wasn't more emotional, he was simply rawer. Kinda like Casey.

We are anyways talking about two amazing sportsmen, I'd like to underline that.
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Amazing ride. I still think the emotional and physical toll of that ride affected him a lot subsequently.
Agreed, Horhay just seemed that bit too tentative in wet and especially mixed/changeable conditions after that.
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