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May 19th, 2018, 03:22 PM   #191
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Douche err Touche

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Is Elias bigger than Pedrosa





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His glasses are.

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Sometimes 3rd tier riders get lucky, look at Kenny Jr. a bloke in GP based solely on his surname and managed to be in the right place at the right time for 2 years of success before reverting back to a backmarker.
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Just a little reminder for those who were in diapers (or already in adult diapers) when it happened.

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A really young Marco Simoncelli appears from 1:06:15 to congratulate Rossi.
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Sometimes 3rd tier riders get lucky, look at Kenny Jr. a bloke in GP based solely on his surname and managed to be in the right place at the right time for 2 years of success before reverting back to a backmarker.
Suzuki have won 2 championships in the last 30 years. Might have been 1 considering the tragic events of 93. What does that tell you about Suzuki? What a "lucky" bloke. KRJR was runner up in 99, champ in 00. He was lucky for 2 years on the shittiest brand since the 80s? You don't happen to think Suzuki perhaps may have had 2 decent (not great) years? A real rarity for Suzuki.

Out of curiosity, what other riders during KRjr's tenure do you think could have won the title on the KR3, RGV500, GSVR, KR211V? With the exception of the KR211V project, these were the modern equivalent of riding the KTM-RC, RS-GP. Name me a rider that you think can win or come runner up today on the KTM-RC or RS-GP, hell throw in the GSXRR and GP18. The only bikes that have consistently won championships are the factory Honda/Yamaha since 1980s.

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A really young Marco Simoncelli appears from 1:06:15 to congratulate Rossi.
Yep, I noticed that too...
If I remember correctly, a wee little Luca Marini celebrates with him after the 2009 championship win as well.
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Suzuki have won 2 championships in the last 30 years. Might have been 1 considering the tragic events of 93. What does that tell you about Suzuki? What a "lucky" bloke. KRJR was runner up in 99, champ in 00. He was lucky for 2 years on the shittiest brand since the 80s? You don't happen to think Suzuki perhaps may have had 2 decent (not great) years? A real rarity for Suzuki.

Out of curiosity, what other riders during KRjr's tenure do you think could have won the title on the KR3, RGV500, GSVR, KR211V? With the exception of the KR211V project, these were the modern equivalent of riding the KTM-RC, RS-GP. Name me a rider that you think can win or come runner up today on the KTM-RC or RS-GP, hell throw in the GSXRR and GP18. The only bikes that have consistently won championships are the factory Honda/Yamaha since 1980s.

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I agree, KR Jrs title win was one of the most meritorious ever imo, and he nearly won a race, and probably failed to do so because he miscounted his laps, on a bike produced by his father’s tiny operation.

As you imply, it is far more likely he only had a vaguely competitive bike for that one year than that he is a 3rd rate rider who got lucky.
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I agree, KR Jrs title win was on of the most meritorious ever imo, and he nearly won a race, and probably failed to do so because he miscounted his laps, on a bike produced by his father’s tiny operation.

As you imply, it is far more likely he only had a vaguely competitive bike for that one year than that he is a 3rd rate rider who got lucky.
King Kenny basically had his son testing/racing his skunk works operations. I'm sure Jr would have loved to race a RC211V, but his dad was his sport agent, and that meant riding some of the most audacious GP creations...or as AntG put it "reverting to being a backmarker."

In my post I said "with the exception of the KR211V project", reason I said this is because most people aren't aware of the KRSR projects and how they compared to 'factory' machines. Though I'm not sure I conveyed the message, what I was trying to say is that UNLIKE the KTM-RC and the RS-GP (as well as the GP18 and GSXRR for that matter) the KRSR projects were as you say producer in a tiny garage ran and operated by King Kenny. Basically, (as I'm sure you know Mike) from the KR3, Proton KR5, to KR211V, these were Roberts SR putting together his chassis and either his engine or someone else's engine. I don't think most people appreciate what he was attempting. In 02 when the series went 4 stroke, KR ran a 3 cylinder 2 smoke. 3 cylinders. Sure it didn't win races and titles, but basically he was doing something similar to the brilliant Britten. The Honda RC211V was racing against minnows. It was hardly a competition these years. The V5 was the most amazing thing since the Apollo. The Proton KR5 for example went through several engines, King Kenny was basically trying to make his own Honda V5. Think about that for a moment. It wasn't easy to replicate what the most brilliant Japanese engineers created, partly of course because there was an army of them who made it. For 2003 the V5 was simply impossible to reverse engineer one, and they slapped a V4 KTM, which turned out to be shit. Consider that when KRSR convinced Honda to supply him with their proper V5, becoming the KR211V it became a contender. That was, a Honda V5 in a KR chassis! Amazing enough right? Now consider this, Honda required their satellite to be detuned factory specs, and the KR V5 was one more tier detuned from that! In a in-house skunk works chassis. That it could compete with factory and satellite bikes in the 990 era is something quite amazing.

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Interesting read here;
https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/race/m...ing-to-a-head/

Especially the 2nd photo, looks like Rossi is trying to climb on the Honda, by pushing MM off the side.
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