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May 18th, 2018, 04:02 PM   #181
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That was a hell of a battle between the two. Spies probably could have gotten him on the straightaway if he was willing to stand Mladin up .
Turn 6 as well. That’s a move MM, VR and JL wouldn’t have hesitated to make and we would be tossing around the term race incident. I see what Spies did as race etiquette.
Cutting my teeth through watching AMA, I highly respect this type of racing, which is the norm.
Master and Pupil at work there.
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Scientology is opposed to both. Reason I ask is because you wrote that and I know they had gained a foothold in Oz.
I’ve read a from him as a youth and about him as an adult. The psychology behind cultists and serial criminals is fascinating to me. He was a brillant warped mind. I don’t believe he was ever diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic though I could be wrong. I do know he fits all the criteria for antisocial personality disorder. Very much identical personality traits as Trump.
Anyway its’s a race thread so I won’t divert the topic any longer. Your statement just peaked my interest.

I agree with your dislike of cod. Despite growing up in a New England fishing town, seafood never appealed to me
I looked it up. There was a government enquiry into Scientology in Victoria, Australia (the state where I was born as it happens) which was the first time Scientology received any official discredit or recognition as having the aspects of a cult, and one of the conclusions was that L Ron had features of paranoid schizophrenia. I don’t know if this is the reason Scientology has chased down scandals involving psychiatry, or if it is because they see psychology etc as a competing paradigm with ‘dianetics’.

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Turn 6 as well. That’s a move MM, VR and JL wouldn’t have hesitated to make and we would be tossing around the term race incident. I see what Spies did as race etiquette.
Cutting my teeth through watching AMA, I highly respect this type of racing, which is the norm.
Master and Pupil at work there.


When you realise what is happening it is enthralling to watch such exchanges between two riders.

It is not the most common thing nowadays but the old 'challenger to changing the guard' can be some of the best racing one gets to see if we are aware of it at the time (sometimes I do not think we realise it until after the event).

Never got to see a lot of the Mladin v Spies over here but have seen a few videos of the Suzuki days and they were a step up at times.
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Sometimes it isn't about technique.

Sure you need basics but sometimes the unorthodox becomes orthodox (think Rossi leg wave for example)

Doohan's style was not pretty to watch but it sure was effective and I would say I disagree with the Taddy take but will admit that Taddy is often under-rated but Doohan would still have taken him.

But whether he would have won 5 without the tragedy of the previous few years is a valid question as the nearest to Doohan was taken from the track.
Oh Mick would have probably beaten him, the point was that Taddy on equal equipment would have been a stronger rival than Criville.
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Oh Mick would have probably beaten him, the point was that Taddy on equal equipment would have been a stronger rival than Criville.
IMO only but that may well depend on which year Criville as he was somewhat of an enigma in a some ways that he could compete but could not sustain, plus of course the hand injury.

Criville was to me a bit like a Crutchlow but without the mouth and crashes in that he was a tier down but on his day could produce (and I fully know he won the title where all aligned for a season), but sadly for mine he was a susceptible rider ..........
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Oh Mick would have probably beaten him, the point was that Taddy on equal equipment would have been a stronger rival than Criville.
Taddy rode everything and anything Honda had. He was still 3rd tier.
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I looked it up. There was a government enquiry into Scientology in Victoria, Australia (the state where I was born as it happens) which was the first time Scientology received any official discredit or recognition as having the aspects of a cult, and one of the conclusions was that L Ron had features of paranoid schizophrenia. I don’t know if this is the reason Scientology has chased down scandals involving psychiatry, or if it is because they see psychology etc as a competing paradigm with ‘dianetics’.
He submitted Dianetics to the American Psychological Association, thinking it would revolutionize psychology. They dismissed it as hocus pocus and his war began.
That’s the short answer. If your interested, pick up Going Clear by Lawrence Wright. HBO did a documentary on the book, which was good but not nearly as deep as the book
There’s an excellent series on the A&E channel titled Leah Remini, Scientology and the Aftermath.
Its hosted by Leah and an Aussi named Mike Rinder, who was basically Scientology's enforcer. It deals more with the people side of the religon.
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Criville was to me a bit like a Crutchlow but without the mouth and crashes in that he was a tier down but on his day could produce (and I fully know he won the title where all aligned for a season), but sadly for mine he was a susceptible rider ..........
Totally disagree, Criville was a bigger version of Pedrosa, 2nd tier riders who have accomplished significant tenures in the sport. Crutchlow is a 3rd tier rider, his name belongs to the also-ran category. Crutchlow= Petrucci, Elias, Lowes, Smith, Espargaros, Guintoli, Redding, etc.


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Totally disagree, Criville was a bigger version of Pedrosa, 2nd tier riders who have accomplished significant tenures in the sport. Crutchlow is a 3rd tier rider, his name belongs to the also-ran category. Crutchlow= Petrucci, Elias, Lowes, Smith, Espargaros, Guintoli, Redding, etc.


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But we do agree

I say tier down you say 2nd tier.

What we don't agree on I suppose is where Crutchlow sits in that scheme and for mine, he is far better than all you list with the exception of Elias who I reckon is there or thereabouts with him ......... as was seen by that one race where he got equal gear
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Totally disagree, Criville was a bigger version of Pedrosa, 2nd tier riders who have accomplished significant tenures in the sport. Crutchlow is a 3rd tier rider, his name belongs to the also-ran category. Crutchlow= Petrucci, Elias, Lowes, Smith, Espargaros, Guintoli, Redding, etc.


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Everyone’s a bigger version of Pedrosa
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