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May 11th, 2018, 11:53 PM   #11
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Just 10 years!! Mick Doohan said they haf rudimentary engine mapping, traction control and abs in his days.

Thats why it wad a nonsense when rossi declared Stoner as the "king of electronics" knowing full well his boppers would misinterpret it as Stoner only beats him because of it. Its just that some of them went too far and decided to convince themselves that rossi wasnt using any. Lolol.
Of course, TC has been on road going bikes since the mid-80's so it must have been on a race bike well before. Thing is though as Mat Mladin said in an interview, the electronics are just another component of the bike that needs to be set up right in order for the bike to be competitive, some tracks require more input from the electronics, some less.
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I don’t think any rider claimed to not use electronics. As far as I know, it’s not optional. A while ago, there was an interview with the riders of they would ditch electronics if they could. Unsurprisingly, the older generation of riders were of the opinion that they would prefer very little electronics if possible, but as long as they have to live with the current situation, they will. The younger riders said they have no problem with them.

Another article (I think on Crash) right after the switch to unified electronics said that when the factories had their own system in place, the level of control they had was astounding. Launch control for instance was refined to the level that all the rider had to do was release the brakes. The Magneti Marelli system was a lot primitive in comparison.

When the common ECU and software plan was made official, Ducati got a year’s head start by exploiting (rather disgracefully) the “Independent team” rule.
Honda hired engineers from Magneti Marelli who developed the unified software . Yamaha had previously used their hardware, but with Yamaha’s own software which means there’s very little to carry over. And they have a bit too much Japanese pride to ask for help, trying to do it all themselves.

To understand why some factories have an edge over others with the same ECU, read this:

https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature...d-acceleration

It’s not an unsolvable problem, it just takes money, manpower and time to fix.

Reading without comprehension as usual, then writing smack. Both Ducati & yamaha used Magneti Marelli hardware prior to the spec ecu. In order to write a software, you must understand the hardware it is being implemented into. It is the reason why both Ducati & yamaha had an edge over Honda the first 2 years. The reason why yamaha is failing has to do with them self. In the weak link you posted trying to make a point. You will see where your god says
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"During last year Honda and Ducati put a lot of money and a lot of people to work around the electronics. Maybe Yamaha not enough."
Seems like yamaha is resting on their laurels for success

So genius synn. Who's fault is it for not investing money in their motopg program? Also, who's fault is it for resting on their laurels with a washed up rider?
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I donít think any rider claimed to not use electronics. As far as I know, itís not optional. A while ago, there was an interview with the riders of they would ditch electronics if they could. Unsurprisingly, the older generation of riders were of the opinion that they would prefer very little electronics if possible, but as long as they have to live with the current situation, they will. The younger riders said they have no problem with them.

Another article (I think on Crash) right after the switch to unified electronics said that when the factories had their own system in place, the level of control they had was astounding. Launch control for instance was refined to the level that all the rider had to do was release the brakes. The Magneti Marelli system was a lot primitive in comparison.

When the common ECU and software plan was made official, Ducati got a yearís head start by exploiting (rather disgracefully) the ďIndependent teamĒ rule.
Honda hired engineers from Magneti Marelli who developed the unified software . Yamaha had previously used their hardware, but with Yamahaís own software which means thereís very little to carry over. And they have a bit too much Japanese pride to ask for help, trying to do it all themselves.

To understand why some factories have an edge over others with the same ECU, read this:

https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature...d-acceleration

Itís not an unsolvable problem, it just takes money, manpower and time to fix.
Good Post Synn, love the way people are tripping over themselves in a headlong rush to have a pop at Rossi!
FYI it is well documented that Yamaha (foolishly imo) didn't hire magnet marelli techs when they were available. Apparently they are now looking to do that. The true pace of the Yamaha will not be possible until they are level on electronics.
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Good Post Synn, love the way people are tripping over themselves in a headlong rush to have a pop at Rossi!
FYI it is well documented that Yamaha (foolishly imo) didn't hire magnet marelli techs when they were available. Apparently they are now looking to do that. The true pace of the Yamaha will not be possible until they are level on electronics.
Yes, the problem canít possibly be Rossiís true pace at age 39.
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Yes, the problem canít possibly be Rossiís true pace at age 39.
Forgotten about his much younger teammate have we?
Don't let facts stand in the way of your beliefs though.
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Forgotten about his much younger teammate have we?
Don't let facts stand in the way of your beliefs though.
No, I concur with others that Vinales is not as good as he looked and was dependent on a tire construction no longer available to him.

Call me wacky, but my belief is that a 39 year old Rossi is not as good as a 25 year old Rossi, or a 30 year old Rossi as he was in 2009, and it is you and those of your ilk who are reliant on faith/belief.
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No, I concur with others that Vinales is not as good as he looked and was dependent on a tire construction no longer available to him.

Call me wacky, but my belief is that a 39 year old Rossi is not as good as a 25 year old Rossi, or a 30 year old Rossi as he was in 2009, and it is you and those of your ilk who are reliant on faith/belief.
When Vinales is not fast, itís the problem of the tyre
When Rossi is not fast, itís because of his age.

Ahahaha your stupidity never ceases to amaze me, Mitchell. Stop sniffing kangaroo droppings all the time.
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No, I concur with others that Vinales is not as good as he looked and was dependent on a tire construction no longer available to him.

Call me wacky, but my belief is that a 39 year old Rossi is not as good as a 25 year old Rossi, or a 30 year old Rossi as he was in 2009, and it is you and those of your ilk who are reliant on faith/belief.
I dont even think its a faith or belief with synn. I think he just likes the attention of being obtuse.
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I dont even think its a faith or belief with synn. I think he just likes the attention of being obtuse.
Yes, apparently 39 is not 9 years older than 30 or 14 years older than 25 and there is no change in human physiology over such a time course, and Vinales was just as competitive when the new construction tire replaced the original tire last season.

The obvious corollary of the argument is that Rossi was greatly inferior to MM when he was the same age, not something I would necessarily argue myself, but who am I to dispute a Rossi fan.

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Forgotten about his much younger teammate have we?
Don't let facts stand in the way of your beliefs though.
But MV was the first to be "tinkerered with" when he came out and showed that the bike was capable of. I often wonder if that was enough for MV and if he isnt just seeing out his contract cos like all the ithers he is already sick of the BS involved in the team.
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