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May 17th, 2018, 12:23 AM   #101
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No, it's not a good thing but keep on pumping out the company line, Oxley.
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If I want to watch spec racing I'll watch the Ducati 848 Cup
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Cheaper to watch as well
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I know this will get slagged off by some because I read it on Kropo's site but apparently the reason Zarco is not struggling like the factory boys is that he is running an older engine that has had more work on the electronics.
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I know this will get slagged off by some because I read it on Kropo's site but apparently the reason Zarco is not struggling like the factory boys is that he is running an older engine that has had more work on the electronics.
So I presume that the mapping for the older engine won't work on the new one and they are just having to work those ones 'from scratch?' Or was the additional work done on the old engine electronics to make up for 'mechanical deficiencies?'

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I know this will get slagged off by some because I read it on Kropo's site but apparently the reason Zarco is not struggling like the factory boys is that he is running an older engine that has had more work on the electronics.
The Forcada interview is up on motogp.com as well saying the same thing. He does imply that a mistake was made by the factory riders with the engine they chose though. Interestingly he also says that the factory riders are running the same chassis as Zarco.
We again get back to what(if Zarcos team is not lying) the freezeout from Rossi of Zarco has done to Yamaha, if Zarco was 'allowed' to run the same engine as the factory guys it would give them an extra 50% of data to help them on the electronics side. If Zarco was given the choice of engines but decided to stay with the old one then that is a massive failure on the factory riders part because they couldn't foresee the problems that Zarco may have foreseen. When Honda fucked up their bikes they quickly learnt the value of having a third 'factory' rider and that Yamaha couldn't learn from Honda is an epic failure on their part. They easily could've given Zarco a direct factory contract similar to Cals even with Tech 3 leaving Yamaha.
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As far as I know, they did an all new engine for 2017 and evolved that in 2018 to catch up to the Ducs in terms of power. It’s quite possible that the calibrations from the old engine cannot be carried over as-is.
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So I presume that the mapping for the older engine won't work on the new one and they are just having to work those ones 'from scratch?' Or was the additional work done on the old engine electronics to make up for 'mechanical deficiencies?'
Forcada doesn't go into great detail though I bet the mountain they have to climb isn't anywhere near the size of the mountain Honda had to climb last year going from a screamer engine to a big bang engine.
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Forcada doesn't go into great detail though I bet the mountain they have to climb isn't anywhere near the size of the mountain Honda had to climb last year going from a screamer engine to a big bang engine.
True, but Yamaha is a much smaller company than Honda.
HRC itself is a behemoth and while the factory Yamaha team is no garage run operation, itís not on the same plane as HRC in terms of resources.
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As far as I know, they did an all new engine for 2017 and evolved that in 2018 to catch up to the Ducs in terms of power. Itís quite possible that the calibrations from the old engine cannot be carried over as-is.
Damn, if they pulled more power out of the engine it sure doesn't show, it just demonstrates the influence of good electronics getting the power to the black stuff as effectively as possible.
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