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May 3rd, 2018, 04:08 AM   #61
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You'd never admit to yourself or others that you went to an event such as the TT to see riders killed. That's the spectacle... men risking death for TT glory and you wanted to see it firsthand.
Sorry mate, I have to call you out on that.
The TT isn't the spectacle of death, it's the spectacle of speed.
Speed in an environment that we can relate to, i.e. the road.
The movement of the bikes on a less than perfect surface adds to the spectacle of speed.

I'm surprised to see a stand point on the TT such as yours on a bike racing forum. I thought all race fans got it.
Still we all have the right to free speech, but just so that you know, it's not cool to accuse someone of watching the tt just for the deaths
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What a load of bollox, people know it happens, but we don't go to see them die.
I find it hard to approve of the TT now in late middle age, but if you stay home in bed all day you quite possibly will die of a DVT and subsequent pulmonary emboli.
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I find it hard to approve of the TT now in late middle age, but if you stay home in bed all day you quite possibly will die of a DVT and subsequent pulmonary emboli.
The riders know the stakes involved for better or worse. As long as they are aware of it, frankly I don't see why you would not approve of the TT. No one is holding a gun to their head and telling them to go race there.
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The debate comes around every year, how about getting rid of horse racing and bullfighting first or banning people from climbing mountains? Everest alone has claimed 300 lives, that's more than the TT and the Manx combined.
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What a fucking twat you are,i went every year because i lived in England and i love motorcycle racing,i went because its the most awesome event you will ever see,the spectacle is seeing insane speeds between lamposts and brick walls and getting up at 4 am and riding the course yourself and being overtaken by real racers out for an early practice, not seeing people die,you are a complete cunt and a disgrace to this forum and this is the last time i will reply to the utter shit you speak
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I was going to reply to this, clicked like by mistake, clicked unlike, typed a response, deleted it. I despair at fuckwits like you, I really do. What a fucking low, inflammatory thing to say.

I thought it was great that the others that just want to piss other people off and have childish arguments had gone off elsewhere to do it.
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Sorry mate, I have to call you out on that.
The TT isn't the spectacle of death, it's the spectacle of speed.
Speed in an environment that we can relate to, i.e. the road.
The movement of the bikes on a less than perfect surface adds to the spectacle of speed.

I'm surprised to see a stand point on the TT such as yours on a bike racing forum. I thought all race fans got it.
Still we all have the right to free speech, but just so that you know, it's not cool to accuse someone of watching the tt just for the deaths
Just because the truth is hard for you to accept doesn't make it less true. The TT isn't just a spectacle of speed, WSBK and BSB bikes are just as fast (if not faster) but compete in a safer environment. GP bikes are FASTER, but compete in a safer environment. The appeal of the TT is men risking their life on one of if not the most dangerous circuit in the world. There are deaths every year and people from all over the world purchase tickets to go see it. It's not much different then Romans going to the Colosseum to see gladiators die.

Do racers really have to accept such a high level of risks to be considered "real" racers? I have respect for TT racers and I like watching Michael Dunlop race, but I don't consider him more of a real racer than GP, WSBK, or BSB racers.
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You'd never admit to yourself or others that you went to an event such as the TT to see riders killed. That's the spectacle... men risking death for TT glory and you wanted to see it firsthand.
Actually it's more that we like to see real racers who live in the real world racing for the love of a pure sport rather than watching a bunch of spoilt rich Spanish and Italian kids riding million pound motorbikes around glorified go-kart tracks.
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Pyeman can't sit here and post that he wants Rossi to "crash lightly", but then admit he enjoys watching the TT where racers lose their life annually. He has the same thirst for blood when watching Moto GP or WSBK, they're just not as likely to satisfy him. Doesn't stop him from watching and wishing the racers go down in similar to fashion to what he enjoys about the TT.
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Actually it's more that we like to see real racers who live in the real world racing for the love of a pure sport rather than watching a bunch of spoilt rich Spanish and Italian kids riding million pound motorbikes around glorified go-kart tracks.
Is that really what you think? The TT racers are the real deal, but the GP guys are just pretenders? They bitch and complain too much even with their big salaries?! If given the same equipment the real TT racers would show Marquez his ass around Jerez right?

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Is that really what you think? The TT racers are the real deal, but the GP guys are just pretenders? They bitch and complain too much even with their big salaries?! If given the same equipment the real TT racers would show Marquez the his ass around Jerez right?
Modern grand prix riders ride like idiots, old school riders like Barry Sheene, Kenny Roberts, Freddie Spencer, Eddie Lawson etc. raced each other hard but there was always respect and an etiquette on track. These youngsters act like they're in a pinball game, using other riders as a berm and exceeding the track limits, the crash statistics are horrendous, the world champion for 2017 lost his bike nearly 30 times last year. 2017 was a record breaking year for accidents the number of crashes in MotoGP exceeded 300 compared to less than 100 in 2006.
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Just because the truth is hard for you to accept doesn't make it less true. The TT isn't just a spectacle of speed, WSBK and BSB bikes are just as fast (if not faster) but compete in a safer environment. GP bikes are FASTER, but compete in a safer environment. The appeal of the TT is men risking their life on one of if not the most dangerous circuit in the world. There are deaths every year and people from all over the world purchase tickets to go see it. It's not much different then Romans going to the Colosseum to see gladiators die.

Do racers really have to accept such a high level of risks to be considered "real" racers? I have respect for TT racers and I like watching Michael Dunlop race, but I don't consider him more of a real racer than GP, WSBK, or BSB racers.
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Pyeman can't sit here and post that he wants Rossi to "crash lightly", but then admit he enjoys watching the TT where racers lose their life annually. He has the same thirst for blood when watching Moto GP or WSBK, they're just not as likely to satisfy him. Doesn't stop him from watching and wishing the racers go down in similar to fashion to what he enjoys about the TT.
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Is that really what you think? The TT racers are the real deal, but the GP guys are just pretenders? They bitch and complain too much even with their big salaries?! If given the same equipment the real TT racers would show Marquez the his ass around Jerez right?
Another mind reader.

The rest are ludicrous straw man bullshit from someone who has twisted ideas about why people like the TT.

Personally knowing the level of risk involved, I think it's nuts. But it's an old tradition, road racing and old traditions like this are culturally ingrained, like bull riding at rodeos, or Buzkashi, bull fighting or American football and they're so much apart of their cultures that they're very slow to go away.

A couple people a year die at the TT, but it's a tiny number compared to the number of football players who get brain injuries that lead to suicide. Your odds of dying on a street bike at the hands of a soccer mom in a 20 year old Celica are a thousand time higher. Your odds of dying at the TT are small compared to dying of heart failure from eating too much red meat.

Nobody fucking goes to the TT to gawk at death. People go because it's more egalitarian, more raw; an old school/roots-of-the-tradition form of racing.

Same reason why people love to go to watch vintage racing. Not because it's "better" but because it's different.

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