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April 29th, 2018, 08:25 AM   #31
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I agree, but Alzamora might be a different matter, although even he is likely insufficiently paranoid to belioeve that anyone is currently a threat to MM on a bike designed around MM.

As I have said I agreed with HRC not having Stoner wild card in 2015, they were trying to talk him into not throwing the bike down the road racing Lorenzo and Rossi, having the most recent previous Honda world champion out there for him to race as well with a bike that was a handful that year would hardly have aided their cause.
I think Stoner could have and would have ridden to 2nd place if HRC asked. Maybe.

That would have actually helped Marquez.
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The one thing I do respect Yamaha for is that they will have two factory riders that can compete for a championship.
I can’t speak for the pre Hayden days, but since then Honda like’s to have the star and the mule. Im not sure they ever projected Nicky to be taking titles but I could be wrong about their initial goals for him. It was clear that they gave up on him after two years and made him Pedro’s mule in 06.

It still burns me how they cast him aside so quickly and yet have retained the rolling Repsol billboard for 12 years. If one change happens in Nicky’s past then he’s most likely still alive today.

Im not blaming Honda for his death, thats just absurd, but if theres some fairness in this world, the events that pushed him out of GP don’t happen and he’s not in Italy the day of his accident.

I would love to see Lorenzo on the Honda, but history shows us it’s extremely unlikely

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I think Stoner could have and would have ridden to 2nd place if HRC asked. Maybe.

That would have actually helped Marquez.
He had something like 6 DNFs before Sepang 2015. I don't think Stoner would have helped in that regard, but sure he might have taken some points off Lorenzo and Rossi at a time when MM wasn't out of the title. They also may have felt they couldn't predict what Stoner might do, having not been good at predicting same when he was their race rider.
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If Suzuki were given the option of picking up Lorenzo or Pedro's a, which way should they go? I would imagine their market value is farely even in the current climate.
Lorenzo has taken world championships, but both riders have proven themselves as dominant when the stars align. I think Lorenzo would serve them better, but wouldn't second guess if they went with Pedro.
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If Suzuki were given the option of picking up Lorenzo or Pedro's a, which way should they go? I would imagine their market value is farely even in the current climate.
Lorenzo has taken world championships, but both riders have proven themselves as dominant when the stars align. I think Lorenzo would serve them better, but wouldn't second guess if they went with Pedro.
Not only is that a spot-on question, but I think you have hit the nail on the head with your answer too.
If I were the head honch of Suzuki, I might also think that Dani 'breaks' a bit easily after an off, by that I mean just physically.
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I'd like to see Crutchlow get it, just to see some very pissed off people in here.
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Not only is that a spot-on question, but I think you have hit the nail on the head with your answer too.
If I were the head honch of Suzuki, I might also think that Dani 'breaks' a bit easily after an off, by that I mean just physically.
I'd take the tinybot falling and riding to a top six the next week over the somewhat unpredictably fragile JLo... if they were the same age. If I were Suzi I'd pick Cal... He WILL ride the wheels off it AND tell you after each session exactly what he thinks SUCKS about the bike. Insta-feedback.
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If Suzuki were given the option of picking up Lorenzo or Pedro's a, which way should they go? I would imagine their market value is farely even in the current climate.
Lorenzo has taken world championships, but both riders have proven themselves as dominant when the stars align. I think Lorenzo would serve them better, but wouldn't second guess if they went with Pedro.
I think Dani would have the same issues on the Suzuki as he did on the Honda being too small and too light. This is not about no liking him. Just the reality
as I see it.

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Not only is that a spot-on question, but I think you have hit the nail on the head with your answer too.
If I were the head honch of Suzuki, I might also think that Dani 'breaks' a bit easily after an off, by that I mean just physically.
Yes he is a bit fragile as his history shows;

2003 Australian motorcycle Grand Prix (125cc) Double fracture in the talus bone of the left foot and a fracture of the right ankle.
2005 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (250cc) Fracture of the left humeral head that affected the supraspinal tendon.
2006 Malaysian motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Small fracture of the small left toe and loss of cutaneous matter on the right knee. 5 stitches in that vertical cut.
2007 Turkish motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Thoracic trauma, blow to the left gluteus and neck trauma.
2007 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Post-traumatic arthritis with inflammation to the small toe of the left foot.
2008 Sepang test (MotoGP) Fracture of the second metacarpal in the right hand, with three diaphyseal fragments, which are the bones that are found in the middle part of the metacarpus.
2008 German motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) General inflammation of the left hand with hematomas in the veins of the extensor tendons. Displaced fracture of the distal phalanx of the left index finger. A sprain of the interphalangeal articulation next to the left middle finger. Fracture of the large bone of the left wrist. Sprain of the lateral external ligament of the right ankle.
2008 Australian motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Capsular hematoma on the left knee that had to be treated two months after.
2009 Qatar test (MotoGP) Fracture of the radius of the left arm and contusion on the left knee that required a skin graft, because the scar re-opened from an operation before Christmas.
2009 Italian motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Incomplete fracture of the greater trochanter of the right femur. A fracture without displacement, an injury that requires absolute rest and treatment with painkillers.
2009 December (MotoGP) Underwent an operation to remove a screw from his left wrist.
2010 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Four-fragment chip fracture of the left collarbone and a Grade 1 ankle sprain.
2011 French motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Fractured right collarbone.
2013 German motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Small fracture of left collarbone.
2015 Qatar motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Arm pump of right hand.
2016 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Fracture of right collarbone consisting of four fragments, requiring surgery (the 14th major surgery of his career . Subcapital fracture of the right fibula with no displacement, requiring only immobilization. Fracture to the fourth metatarsal of the left foot.
2018 Argentine motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Fracture of the right wrist, requiring surgery to repair.

TBO he must be about the most unlucky rider ever.
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Yes he is a bit fragile as his history shows;

2003 Australian motorcycle Grand Prix (125cc) Double fracture in the talus bone of the left foot and a fracture of the right ankle.
2005 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (250cc) Fracture of the left humeral head that affected the supraspinal tendon.
2006 Malaysian motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Small fracture of the small left toe and loss of cutaneous matter on the right knee. 5 stitches in that vertical cut.
2007 Turkish motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Thoracic trauma, blow to the left gluteus and neck trauma.
2007 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Post-traumatic arthritis with inflammation to the small toe of the left foot.
2008 Sepang test (MotoGP) Fracture of the second metacarpal in the right hand, with three diaphyseal fragments, which are the bones that are found in the middle part of the metacarpus.
2008 German motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) General inflammation of the left hand with hematomas in the veins of the extensor tendons. Displaced fracture of the distal phalanx of the left index finger. A sprain of the interphalangeal articulation next to the left middle finger. Fracture of the large bone of the left wrist. Sprain of the lateral external ligament of the right ankle.
2008 Australian motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Capsular hematoma on the left knee that had to be treated two months after.
2009 Qatar test (MotoGP) Fracture of the radius of the left arm and contusion on the left knee that required a skin graft, because the scar re-opened from an operation before Christmas.
2009 Italian motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Incomplete fracture of the greater trochanter of the right femur. A fracture without displacement, an injury that requires absolute rest and treatment with painkillers.
2009 December (MotoGP) Underwent an operation to remove a screw from his left wrist.
2010 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Four-fragment chip fracture of the left collarbone and a Grade 1 ankle sprain.
2011 French motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Fractured right collarbone.
2013 German motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Small fracture of left collarbone.
2015 Qatar motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Arm pump of right hand.
2016 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Fracture of right collarbone consisting of four fragments, requiring surgery (the 14th major surgery of his career . Subcapital fracture of the right fibula with no displacement, requiring only immobilization. Fracture to the fourth metatarsal of the left foot.
2018 Argentine motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Fracture of the right wrist, requiring surgery to repair.

TBO he must be about the most unlucky rider ever.
That's no doubt a large part of why some people grudgingly admire him. After all he's been through, he still persists, and at this point, it can't be just for the money - unless he's looking to buy more yachts.
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