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April 27th, 2018, 02:08 PM   #21
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That's an interesting picture JP. Not sure who appears more honored to meet who. Both look like they just met one of their idols. The guy next to Senna, his expression is definitely one of starstruck.

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Reminds me of something similar that happened 06 Laguna.
Pedrosa was a rookie and was sitting on stage behind a table doing signings. They introduced one of the legends, my memory is shot, but I think it was Eddie or Freddie because they were both there. Pedrosa stopped abruptly looked over, and immediately had that same star struck expression the guy in the picture has. Im assume they had never met before by his reaction. I was very surprised to see that and thought it was so cool that he was a fan,just like all of us

Edited to add that the haze of time has dissipated and it was definitely Freddie not Eddie. The signing was taking place in the Honda tent

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Reminds me of something similar that happened 06 Laguna.
Pedrosa was a rookie and was sitting on stage behind a table doing signings. They introduced one of the legends, my memory is shot, but I think it was Eddie or Freddie because they were both there. Pedrosa stopped abruptly looked over, and immediately had that same star struck expression the guy in the picture has. Im assume they had never met before by his reaction. I was very surprised to see that and thought it was so cool that he was a fan,just like all of us

Edited to add that the haze of time has dissipated and it was definitely Freddie not Eddie. The signing was taking place in the Honda tent
Your memory is indeed hazzy, they said "Jumkie" not Eddie or Freddie, and Pedrosa jumped up to meet me. He even signed my hat that said, "Dani Te Amo". He was so stoked.
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I think a lot of people get the wrong impression about Suzuki’s involvement in GP.
Suzuki’s market share compared to Honda and Yamaha is much much smaller and they don’t have the backing of a huge industry behind them, like the others.
They’ve never really been forthcoming about their GP commitment, but I suspect it’s more for the R&D. As evidenced by modern gixxers the GP tech definitely trickles down quicker into the roadbikes.
People think their just a rider away but notice their primarily a stepping stone for young talent.
The veterans seem to know this and is probably why none of them take the leap. It’s a shame since they are a bit of a personal preference for me and also their storied history.
Please, no more Rizla baby blue though
Sure, they have long been at the forefront of performance road bikes, I am, fortunately or unfortunately, old enough to remember the stir which the first 1100cc Suzuki Katana caused in Australia when I was a teenager.

I think the storied history comes into it as well though, and the point of my earlier post was that the Japanese factories seem to have an ethos that you have to race if you are serious as a bike manufacturer, which I applaud as I said. Even Kawasaki who found motogp too rich for their blood have turned their efforts to WSBK.

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Agreed. Honda and Yamaha stuck through during the last financial crisis. Suzuki and Kawasaki didnít.

Thatís the real long term security issue here.
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Agreed. Honda and Yamaha stuck through during the last financial crisis. Suzuki and Kawasaki didnít.

Thatís the real long term security issue here.
I don't think Kawasaki were ever in it for the long term and their outlay and commitment to the project was questionable not wishing to commit anything remotely near the investment level to be competitive. We tend to recall the sound of the Aprila Cube with affection but the ZX-RR screamer was evil - particularly in 2003.

Favourite moment - OJ's wet weather wild card at Shanghai or Nakano's podium at Motegi. I always thought the project was doomed the moment they signed the ill-fated and hapless Akira Yanagawa alongside Andrew Pitt.Then there was the Hopper debacle.

I always felt that Suzuki's troubles started after winning the title. They invested little in the RGV500 and Junior (massively underrated imo) was on a hiding to nothing in his title defence. The problems with the GSV-R stemmed from failing to develop the chassis around the new tyres in retaining the old gamma frame/tyre spec and the shift from Dunlop to Michelin to Stones didn't help, with the bike always lagging behind - and another formula change in 2007 initially wasn't timely either. As I remember, it hated long turns. No question that the economic downturn was a factor in their departure but it seemed to me at the time it was a timely pretext to step out for a while and take stock. Neither Kawasaki or Suzuki allocated a significant race budget to their efforts in the 2000s - the standing joke in the paddock was if that you could fit the Suzuki race engineers from Japan in one hire car - and if it ever crashed en-route to the circuit it risked wiping our their entire racing R&D department.
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I don't think Kawasaki were ever in it for the long term and their outlay and commitment to the project was questionable not wishing to commit anything remotely near the investment level to be competitive. We tend to recall the sound of the Aprila Cube with affection but the ZX-RR screamer was evil - particularly in 2003.

Favourite moment - OJ's wet weather wild card at Shanghai or Nakano's podium at Motegi. I always thought the project was doomed the moment they signed the ill-fated and hapless Akira Yanagawa alongside Andrew Pitt.Then there was the Hopper debacle.

I always felt that Suzuki's troubles started after winning the title. They invested little in the RGV500 and Junior (massively underrated imo) was on a hiding to nothing in his title defence. The problems with the GSV-R stemmed from failing to develop the chassis around the new tyres in retaining the old gamma frame/tyre spec and the shift from Dunlop to Michelin to Stones didn't help, with the bike always lagging behind - and another formula change in 2007 initially wasn't timely either. As I remember, it hated long turns. No question that the economic downturn was a factor in their departure but it seemed to me at the time it was a timely pretext to step out for a while and take stock. Neither Kawasaki or Suzuki allocated a significant race budget to their efforts in the 2000s - the standing joke in the paddock was if that you could fit the Suzuki race engineers from Japan in one hire car - and if it ever crashed en-route to the circuit it risked wiping our their entire racing R&D department.
Agree about KRJR, one of the most meritorious title wins ever, and he went very close to winning a gp race on a KR bike.
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Agree about KRJR, one of the most meritorious title wins ever, and he went very close to winning a race on a KR3.
He was impressive that season on his Dad's chassis housing a V5 mill. Less so at Sachsenring when he took out Tamada, but that Estoril race was his swan song. Good to see him with his Dad at the last round. I fear for the estranged Kurtis though - I haven't heard anything about his whereabouts since the court case two years back.
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He was impressive that season on his Dad's chassis housing a V5 mill. Less so at Sachsenring when he took out Tamada, but that Estoril race was his swan song. Good to see him with his Dad at the last round. I fear for the estranged Kurtis though - I haven't heard anything about his whereabouts since the court case two years back.
I did mean the KR bike with the Honda engine and realised my mistake before your post. He really should have won that race.

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He was impressive that season on his Dad's chassis housing a V5 mill. Less so at Sachsenring when he took out Tamada, but that Estoril race was his swan song. Good to see him with his Dad at the last round. I fear for the estranged Kurtis though - I haven't heard anything about his whereabouts since the court case two years back.
Families, eh?
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Favourite moment - OJ's wet weather wild card at Shanghai or Nakano's podium at Motegi. I always thought the project was doomed the moment they signed the ill-fated and hapless Akira Yanagawa alongside Andrew Pitt.Then there was the Hopper debacle.
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My favourite moment was Gary McCoy lighting up the back tyre, (I know that that doesn't exactly narrow it down) on the Kwak.
Fair play to Kawasaki though, they put their investment into WSBK and are reaping the benefits.
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