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April 25th, 2018, 08:32 AM   #81
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As Michael Scott said: I don’t want to come over as blindly approving of Marquez’s manic move on Rossi, when he could clearly have waited until one or two corners later with less risk. But I do believe it was a genuine mistake—locking up the front and consequently running wide onto a wet patch. And he was punished: by 30-seconds, which dropped him from fifth and out of the points.
I think it was a mistake, but it doesn't mean it's not reckless. The same applies to Rossi's pass at Jerez. It was a mistake, but it was reckless.

Scott is an excellent journalist, and I largely agree with his article.
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I personally would leave Roger out of this, I regard him as having announced he was leaving for his own reasons and as having stuck to his word until proven otherwise, and would be very surprised if this was proven.

He was dyslexic, not stupid, in any case.
To be sure - I didn't bring it up. As to his intelligence - he had a good grasp of racing, but his rage and willingness to lash out were undeniable.

There's just too many things about "synn" that don't add up. And too many parallels that call attention to themselves.
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I think it was a mistake, but it doesn't mean it's not reckless. The same applies to Rossi's pass at Jerez. It was a mistake, but it was reckless.

Scott is an excellent journalist, and I largely agree with his article.
That’s the thing though, Rossi wasn’t penalised for Jerez 2011, at least MM was always going to make it through the corner, Stoner made no attempt to make capital out of the Jerez incident/made no accusations of recklessness despite rather more justification imo, and was in fact vilified by pretty much the same people who want MM’s head now for a much milder reaction to an apology than MM received from the Rossi pit.
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That’s the thing though, Rossi wasn’t penalised for Jerez 2011, at least MM was always going to make it through the corner, Stoner made no attempt to make capital out of the Jerez incident/made no accusations of recklessness despite rather more justification imo, and was in fact vilified by pretty much the same people who want MM’s head now for a much milder reaction to an apology than MM received from the Rossi pit.
For the penalty, I think one key distinction between Jerez11 and Argentina18 is the sheer volume of incidents Marquez was involved in during the race (not to mention the weekend).

If we want to discuss the question of why Marquez was called reckless after the incident, it's due to the extremely high frequency of dangerous moves he has made (as I detailed in other threads). By contrast, aAt that point in Rossi's (16 year) career, he had only really been involved in two questionable manoeuvres (Jerez05, LS08), so Stoner (who destroyed Sete's shoulder in 06 and caused his retirement) didn't have strong cause to call Rossi reckless (given the infrequency incidents Rossi had experienced until that point). Stoner nevertheless gave Rossi a strong serve when Rossi entered his garage.

There is a good argument that Rossi should've been penalized at Jerez11. It was never going to stick. I remember seeing Rossi attempt the pass an instant before the crash and feeling a sense of bewilderment.
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April 25th, 2018, 10:00 AM   #85
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In considering whether Marquez' riding is dangerous, how hard Petrucci hit Espargaro means fuck all.
Not necessarily, is it? Because nobody is really arguing that MM has an aggressive riding style, which many have had for a while and others have at present, or that he had a horrible day in Argentina. What they argue is that if somebody asks for harsher punishments or a ban for a certain action or style then it seems that other incidents during the same race or other riders should be included in the conversation too (e.g. Zarco, Petrucci) and that no differentiation should be made only based on the rider's name.
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That was my original thought from the minute he appeared on the forum. He certainly has Rog's incoherent rage. It would explain why he is reluctant to post a photo of himself... and Rog fancys himself a martial arts guy. He has Rog's dog-won't'-let-go-of-the-bone growling thing going. The fact that he knew to go to my website to try (and fail utterly) and dig up things to mock me on, is a strong indicator that this is not a new person on the forum.

And note: He's always polite and deferential to Jumkie and Arrib neither one of which are bopper friendly.

I've been wondering if the whole, "I'm a pastafarian living in Italy" thing is some kind of dodge. This could be just Rog - only a Rog who's learned how to use spell-check.

Only thing that seems off is his cunty way with Mikey M - which would be out of character. But hiding behind a bullshit avatar might be just what he requires to liberate himself from the bounds of human decency.

He's never actually said where he's from - tho he uses a lot of Pommy expressions.
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We finally figured out who you are. Your rage and willingness to lash out were the giveaway
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We finally figured out who you are. Your rage and willingness to lash out were the giveaway
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Drat. Foiled again.
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Because nobody is really arguing that MM has an aggressive riding style, which many have had for a while and others have at present, or that he had a horrible day in Argentina.
You're clearly a rational thinker, so you'd assume that nobody would argue that point. In fact, there are a crew of loons here that contend that very point.

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If somebody asks for harsher punishments or a ban for a certain action or style then it seems that other incidents during the same race or other riders should be included in the conversation too (e.g. Zarco, Petrucci) and that no differentiation should be made only based on the rider's name
Agreed. I think that's uncontroversial.
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You're clearly a rational thinker, so you'd assume that nobody would argue that point. In fact, there are a crew of loons here that contend that very point.
I don't think they are arguing that. I think that people look past the point made due to the 'insults' which accompany such points. Some have expressed their opinion that they think that Rossi could have avoided the incident, with which I agree, some argue that it is not bad offence if it wasn't for the 'bad' day MM had that day and that we would not be talking about it if the person that landed on the tarmac wasn't VR and I agree with all of it and actually believe you do to.
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