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April 21st, 2018, 09:07 AM   #61
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That is, other riders are not afforded the same level of scrutiny or expectation of respect as if their lives or racing experience on the track is inconsequential.
If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
I agree with this. Taking out Rossi garners much more attention than taking out Rabat, and unfortunately it seems that the penalties are inconsistent for that reason.

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Given that there were other incidents in the very race in question, stunning parallel, one leading to a spectacular crash and injury, Zarco v Pedrosa, and Espargaro being rammed by Petrucci, which were not even reviewed.
I didn't see the Petrucci incident, but that should've been penalized if it were as egregious as Espargaro claims.

Zarco v Pedrosa is a little harder. I personally think that the pass was near the limit, but it seemed that Pedrosa could've avoided the crash if he didn't apply the throttle on the wet patch after Zarco ran him wide. For that reason, I wouldn't have penalized Zarco but I can see how others might disagree. Also, Zarco has form for some bad passes from last year.
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It's a weak excuse. MM is not a rookie - he knows that when a track is drying with wet patches, the risks are higher. Accordingly, he should take greater care when passing riders in such conditions.

The same applies to Rossi at Jerez 11. Knowing that the track was wet, he should've been more circumspect in his passing manoeuvres. It's no excuse that the conditions weren't favourable.
Regarding Jerez 11, do you remember the reaction by the sport to call for a ban on Rossi? Ex-racers saying Rossi was out of control and should be scolded like a child? And journalists piling on prosecuting the great case against Rossi? And Race Direction penalizing Rossi? The parallels are so stunning which highlights a truth about GP, the universe revolves around Rossi.


Regarding your dismissal of Agostini's response, I disagree. Bayliss for example called Marc a "goon" in the same tweet he called Rossi "stylish". That's as laughable about the author as I've read. It serves only to tarnish their own legacy (though I know it's effectively makes him a hero of the Rossi fan). I think Yamafan made a good point about how the tide has changed only when it's Rossi who is on the receiving end of Marc's race craft. Which pointed out the hypocrisy, when Lorenzo was on the receiving end, well these were just "racing incidents", when Rossi is on the receiving end, these are "egregious disrespectful out-of-control reckless racing". If Rossi had done what Mark did (which we could point to at least Misano 16, Jerez 11, as you did above, but others instances) the lens for which it would be perceived becomes dramatically different. I consider much of what is said, even by these respected former ex-racers as part of the dynamic to treat and view Rossi with a peculiar lens. The best example of this is to point to the reaction of these prominent voices in regards to the Sepang 15 debacle. If you can show me the same reactions they are now having towards unintentional Marc in the case of deliberate Rossi, then I'll give more weight to their pronouncements. The fact is, the only prominent voice to call for a black flag of Rossi, a voice I should note that was roundly dismissed, was Casey Stoner's. Not surprisingly, if you think about it.

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This is too funny. There is no rider of any repute (including MM himself) that doesn't admit MM's fault in the incident.

Yet, they are all collectively "talking our of their arses", but you have a special insight that every world champion does not. Maybe you should line up on the grid, since you know so much, and they know so little?
He just needs to sort out the electronics of his couch, he’ll be on the grid in Jerez.
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Regarding Jerez 11, do you remember the reaction by the sport to call for a ban on Rossi?
There wasn't such a reaction. That's because Rossi didn't pull five bone-headed maneouvres over the weekend.

MM punted Rabat, Syahrin, Espargaro and Rossi that weekend alone, and almost knocked off MV. This is in addition to dangerous behavior on the grid (where any racer would've pulled aside), and his years of dangerous maneouvres (which I detailed individually in a recent post).



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If Rossi had done what Mark did (which we could point to at least Misano 16,
Misano 16 was clearly legit. Rossi was way on the inside of JL, past JL, and very early in the corner. He didn't suddenly park the bike on the apex at the last moment. As such, JL had far more time to react that to that move.

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The best example of this is to point to the reaction of these prominent voices in regards to the Sepang 15 debacle. If you can show me the same reactions they are now having towards unintentional Marc in the case of deliberate Rossi, then I'll give more weight to their pronouncements.
Rossi got plastered for that, but MM was not seen as an innocent party in that incident. He clearly was not riding in a manner conducive to winning the race, but in a manner to slow down another rider who was leading the championship by a handful of points in the penultimate round. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't intentionally ruin the race of any rider that is on the verge of winning a WC. If you piss someone off enough, they will eventually respond.

VR to a certain extent brought this on himself. He made the wild accusations, which goaded MM into showing him what it really means to fuck with VR.

They both came out of that incident looking poorly.

Also, some did call for VR's ban after that incident. Schwantz was the only one who called for MM's ban after this one.

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Also, some did call for VR's ban after that incident.
Who?
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There wasn't such a reaction. That's because Rossi didn't pull five bone-headed maneouvres over the weekend.

MM punted Rabat, Syahrin, Espargaro and Rossi that weekend alone, and almost knocked off MV. This is in addition to dangerous behavior on the grid (where any racer would've pulled aside), and his years of dangerous maneouvres (which I detailed individually in a recent post).




Misano 16 was clearly legit. Rossi was way on the inside of JL, and very early in the corner. JL had far more time to react that to that move.


Rossi got plastered for that, but MM was not seen as an innocent party in that incident. He clearly was not riding in a manner conducive to winning the race, but in a manner to slow down another rider who was leading the championship by a handful of points in the penultimate round. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't intentionally ruin the race of any rider that is on the verge of winning a WC. If you piss someone off enough, they will eventually respond.

VR to a certain extent brought this on himself. He made the wild accusations, which goaded MM into showing him what it really means to fuck with VR.

They both came out of that incident looking poorly.

Also, some did call for VR's ban after that incident. Schwantz was the only one who called for MM's ban after this one.
Utter bullshit.

MM is allowed to race, there is no rule that you move out of the way for championship contenders. Rossi didn't think anyone had the right to race him at Sepang and lost his mind. He didn't have the pace to keep up with Lorenzo and Pedrosa in that race. They left him in the dust there. You've bought into Rossi's narrative that no one should be allowed to race him if he is in the hunt for the title.

MM didn't punt the three riders you mentioned. Punting would have meant they were down on the ground like what Rossi did to MM at Sepang. You ignore all of the other contact that went on during the race and choose to focus only on one rider because you have an agenda colored by Rossi.
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Hey guys! When JP Shitface says something is utter bullshit, it is so because he said so!
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MM is allowed to race, there is no rule that you move out of the way for championship contenders.
Read my post again. I didn't say otherwise.

Rossi didn't complain that he was beating him at Sepang (or else he would've cried about Pedrosa and Lorenzo).

Rather, he was complaining about MM fucking with his race (which he undeniably did at Sepang).

16 passes between two riders in a handful of opening laps is unprecedented. Point to one example in the last 20 years of that. Point to one example in the last 5 years that Pedrosa had been 1 sec a lap faster than MM.
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Read my post again. I didn't say otherwise.

Rossi didn't complain that he was beating him at Sepang (or else he would've cried about Pedrosa and Lorenzo).

Rather, he was complaining about MM fucking with his race (which he undeniably did at Sepang).

16 passes between two riders in a handful of opening laps is unprecedented. Point to one example in the last 20 years of that. Point to one example in the last 5 years that Pedrosa had been 1 sec a lap faster than MM.
It's racing.

They had the same pace. Big deal if there were that many overtakes. No rule against it.

Sepang has never been one of MM's best circuits anyhow.
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It’s like he’s pulling out 3 lines from a collection of 20 or so to reply to anything.
All hail JP Shitface, 50 time couch racing champion!
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