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April 20th, 2018, 08:00 AM   #51
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Well he has the record for consecutive rounds won, which is crazy.
I know he chose to stand with 'Raging Al' for rounds 3 and 4 at 223 just to get the experience and whilst he won the rounds with his jab, I was a bit nervous for his stand up defense.
If he even gets a hold of Mcgregor's ankle then he's won.
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Well he has the record for consecutive rounds won, which is crazy.
I know he chose to stand with 'Raging Al' for rounds 3 and 4 at 223 just to get the experience and whilst he won the rounds with his jab, I was a bit nervous for his stand up defense.
If he even gets a hold of Mcgregor's ankle then he's won.
I thought that as well after those TDs early on. He wouldn't even have to get into punching range to put him on his back. And once it hits the ground it's over, he'll kill McGregors gas tank and with it his power and it'll be game over.
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. In his write up of Argentina he sold the false bill of goods that MM ran Rossi off the track which just leads to the fact that he has no idea who had the corner even though MM had it.
Lol. MM himself admitted it was his error because he lost the front on water.

Ben Spies, Bayliss, and many others said it was his fault. Not one rider of any repute said that it wasn't.

But your 40 world titles mean that you know more, of course.
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DAVID EMMETT DOESN'T AGREE WIT MY WILD CONSPIRACY THEORIES SO HE'S A PAID SHILL. HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THE EARTH IS FLAT. HE IS A NASA GOON.
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April 20th, 2018, 03:28 PM   #55
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Lol. MM himself admitted it was his error because he lost the front on water.

Ben Spies, Bayliss, and many others said it was his fault. Not one rider of any repute said that it wasn't.

But your 40 world titles mean that you know more, of course.
He didn't run him off the track hence no penalty was necessary. It was a racing incident. Get a clue already.

A pure racing incident does not warrant a 30 second penalty especially since no one else was penalized for their misdeeds in Argentina.

Spies and Bayliss? Schwantz talked out of his ass just like them. Doesn't mean a fucking thing.
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Ben Spies, Bayliss, and many others said it was his fault. Not one rider of any repute said that it wasn't.
You forgot Schwantz too. Who also suggested Rossiís wild conspiracy theories had merit. While I'm at it, Colin Edwards, Neil Hodges, world champs, also thought Rossi's actions to deliberately crash out Marc were justified. Troy Bayliss is an interesting voice, because you'd think he would subscribe to Rossi's aggressive style of racing, which if anything is what Marc emulates. I guess the worldview is that only Rossi can race like Rossi. (What I often find is that there's always a bit of hanging yourself with words given that these champs have been on both the giving and receiving end of aggressive racing, their take on the matter has been respective of the side they were on.. I'm reminded of a rather public whine. Bayliss had in the 90s at Laguna Seca. Rather uncharacteristic for a guy i admire as being hardcore. See if you can find it.)

I'm assuming you're referring to Spies and Bayliss' tweets, who suggested Marc was at fault. Is it fair then to cite Agostini's suggestion which was rather non-conciliatory of Rossi's plight? The message being, 'this is racing', if you cant deal with it get a job at a bank.

Part of the point being made in this thread that you refuse to acknowledge is the grossly disproportional reaction. It is in fact a reflection of the Rossi Centric Dynamic the entire sport is subjected to, quite detrimental to fairness, and ironically RESPECT-- the reason behind Rossi's emotional outburst.. That is, other riders are not afforded the same level of scrutiny or expectation of respect as if their lives or racing experience on the track is inconsequential. Given that there were other incidents in the very race in question, stunning parallel, one leading to a spectacular crash and injury, Zarco v Pedrosa, and Espargaro being rammed by Petrucci, which were not even reviewed. They simply don't get the "respect" BECAUSE the norms and expectations of racing are only suspended for one man. This is the real experience for the 'others' of the world, their lives are simply not as important as Rossi.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

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Lol. MM himself admitted it was his error because he lost the front on water.

Ben Spies, Bayliss, and many others said it was his fault. Not one rider of any repute said that it wasn't.

But your 40 world titles mean that you know more, of course.
The issue is whether it was dangerous and reckless which I don’t believe it was, certainly not in comparison with an incident with quite close parallels at Jerez 2011, where it was the rider who was taken out, the leading contender for the title, who was pilloried despite a much milder post-race reaction both in general and to an apology sans benefit of helmet removal.

The implication of MM’s statement btw, which I am not sure I see myself, is that it wouldn’t have happened without the wet patch, which makes it even more of a racing incident, which you and the luminaries you cite seem to be ignoring. Schwantz also btw said MM could have avoided the contact at Sepang 2015, and if he is correct that is doubly so for Rossi in this incident.
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Is it fair then to cite Agostini's suggestion which was rather non-conciliatory of Rossi's plight? The message being, 'this is racing', if you cant deal with it get a job at a bank.
I don't think they are equivalent.

The point we are considering is whether Marquez was at fault.

Agostini did not say Marquez wasn't at fault. He was clear that Marquez was at fault. As such, his point does not refute Bayliss' or Spies' point at all (that MM was at fault and that he is a serial offender).

Rather, his comment was that if Rossi is "scared", he should work at a bank. He was having a crack at Rossi's psychological pressure in the media (which I agree with - Rossi's reaction suggesting that MM was intentionally knocking people off was excessive. Marquez is reckless, but he doesn't intentionally knock people off).
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The implication of MM’s statement btw, which I am not sure I see myself, is that it wouldn’t have happened without the wet patch, which makes it even more of a racing incident, which you and the luminaries you cite seem to be ignoring. Schwantz also btw said MM could have avoided the contact at Sepang 2015, and if he is correct that is doubly so for Rossi in this incident.
It's a weak excuse. MM is not a rookie - he knows that when a track is drying with wet patches, the risks are higher. Accordingly, he should take greater care when passing riders in such conditions.

The same applies to Rossi at Jerez 11. Knowing that the track was wet, he should've been more circumspect in his passing manoeuvres. It's no excuse that the conditions weren't favourable. I would be surprised if you considered the wet conditions at Jerez 11 to be exculpatory for Rossi.

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Spies and Bayliss? Schwantz talked out of his ass just like them. Doesn't mean a fucking thing.
This is too funny. There is no rider of any repute (including MM himself) that doesn't admit MM's fault in the incident.

Yet, they are all collectively "talking our of their arses", but you have a special insight that every world champion does not. Maybe you should line up on the grid, since you know so much, and they know so little?
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