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April 28th, 2018, 07:46 PM   #311
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I think it's time for the forum to grow some balls and start calling out Kancer and his enablers by name. Until that happens, unfortunately this shit will continue. I appreciate that you called out Little Kancer Klone in another thread. As I said, Kancer was klogging up the threads during my substantial absence, so it's not on me, i will not accept the idea of "feud", and to anyone that characterizes it this way they should explain why they failed to call this klogging out whilst I was on hiatus. Few were willing to call him out, Barbwirerider and Danski being the only two. We get the forum we deserve folks.





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Regarding Krackpotalking (that's a good one btw). What really bothered me was his prosecutorial language to build a case for a ban. This to me was the most blatant hypocrisy and double standard. It's obscene that the Argentine incident would be the catalyst for change, when most disgustingly these "journalists" allowed Rossi to come out smelling like roses after Sepang AND Valencia 15.


It's too bad he is under intense scrutiny. I watched Argentina again, the dude was racing amateurs. The sense of urgency unchained a level unknown to any of those on the grid. Those guys were in a race, on factory and competitive satellites, no slouches, and he was fucking close to 4 secs faster, A LAP! If I may, and before I get laughed at, I know it's not a good comparison, but indulge me, i know what that looks like on a track getting smoked. I'm sure nobody is surprised. There are three levels, novice, intermediate, expert. I started off novice, eventually made it to expert and got my race license. When you're on the expert category you see pros pass you and it's amazing because you're going "fast". But these guys are motogp champions, and there was a guy going 4 secs a lap faster! I don't think people really understand what was on display. It's been completely and disgustingly overshadowed because Rossi basically was dawdling on the race line.

There's a comment in the write up you quoted by Dennis Noyes (whom I've respected, but has sadly become part of the Faux news GP network). He tries to downplayed Marc's pace, hilariously some other guy posts the lap time, it's like 3.8 or something close. I was laughing, but at the same time imagine all the shit they write decidedly in a way to deceive, spin, influence.

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I actually quite liked and respected David, both on his own site and when he posted here, and realised he had to make a living, and that we do go over the top in criticising Rossi at times, although while I recognise that there is a fine line if any between trolling and counter trolling I do quite strongly believe that Rossi has debased a sport I have followed from well before his time, and is complicit in what has pretty much been the persecution of his rivals, including all fellow premier class world champions since he won his first premier class title.

I don’t read the motomatters site anymore, but it would seem he has been both hypocritical and inconsistent if he is calling for a ban on MM for the Argentina thing after offering much more muted criticism of Rossi for Sepang 2015. What finished him for me, not that he would care obviously, was the venomous/spiteful piece about Danny Kent a year or two back, for which absolutely no necessity was apparent.

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I think it's time for the forum to grow some balls and start calling out Kancer and his enablers by name. Until that happens, unfortunately this shit will continue. I appreciate that you called out Little Kancer Klone in another thread. As I said, Kancer was klogging up the threads during my substantial absence, so it's not on me, i will not accept the idea of "feud", and to anyone that characterizes it this way they should explain why they failed to call this klogging out whilst I was on hiatus. Few were willing to call him out, Barbwirerider and Danski being the only two. We get the forum we deserve folks.





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Regarding Krackpotalking (that's a good one btw). What really bothered me was his prosecutorial language to build a case for a ban. This to me was the most blatant hypocrisy and double standard. It's obscene that the Argentine incident would be the catalyst for change, when most disgustingly these "journalists" allowed Rossi to come out smelling like roses after Sepang AND Valencia 15.


It's too bad he is under intense scrutiny. I watched Argentina again, the dude was racing amateurs. The sense of urgency unchained a level unknown to any of those on the grid. Those guys were in a race, on factory and competitive satellites, no slouches, and he was fucking close to 4 secs faster, A LAP! If I may, and before I get laughed at, I know it's not a good comparison, but indulge me, i know what that looks like at trackday getting smoked. I'm sure nobody is surprised. There are three levels, novice, intermediate, expert. I started off novice, eventually made it to expert and got my race license. When you're on the expert category you see pros pass you and it's amazing because you're going "fast". But these guys are motogp champions, and there was a guy going 4 secs a lap faster! I don't think people really understand what was on display. It's been completely and disgustingly overshadowed because Rossi basically was dawdling on the race line.

There's a comment in the write up you quoted by Dennis Noyes (whom I've respected, but has sadly become part of the Faux news GP network). He tries to downplayed Marc's pace, hilariously some other guy posts the lap time, it's like 3.8 or something close. I was laughing, but at the same time imagine all the shit they write decidedly in a way to deceive, spin, influence.

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What MM was doing at Argentina was unreal with his pace. He absolutely blew away the field with his pace and they should have been showing blue flags to the riders since they were really nothing but backmarkers with the pace Marquez was at. I still boggle at that 4 seconds a lap faster. It was the performance of the weekend and it was ruined by the spineless scumbags in Race Direction who protect Rossi and let other riders do what they want. He was passing guys like they were standing still. This is why I always say he is the only true alien on the grid. He is so goddamn fast.

But of course rather than celebrate the once in a generation talent at hand, Kropo chickenshits his way out of that and continues to carry the burning torch for Rossi like the rest of the scumbags in the journalist crew who would fit right in on Fox News. It's unreal, they carry a torch for a 39 year old has-been who becomes more and more bitter with each passing year. A man who kicked someone off the bike in the middle of a grand prix and they trivialized the entire issue by trying to apportion blame to the other rider...sort of like how some posters here have. Most recently RCV who said 16 overtakes was indicative of someone slowing the other rider down intentionally.

Because of how unfairly MM has been treated by Kropo and others, I hope he pulls a Doohan and wins the next 5 titles in such dominant fashion it sends Rossi into retirement a broken mess.
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I think it's time for the forum to grow some balls and start calling out Kancer and his enablers by name. Until that happens, unfortunately this shit will continue. I appreciate that you called out Little Kancer Klone in another thread. As I said, Kancer was klogging up the threads during my substantial absence, so it's not on me, i will not accept the idea of "feud", and to anyone that characterizes it this way they should explain why they failed to call this klogging out whilst I was on hiatus. Few were willing to call him out, Barbwirerider and Danski being the only two. We get the forum we deserve folks.

I actually quite liked and respected David, both on his own site and when he posted here, and realised he had to make a living, and we probably do go over the top in criticising Rossi, although while I do recognise that there is a fine line if any between trolling and counter trolling I do quite strongly believe that Rossi has debased a sport I have followed from well before his time, and is complicit in what has pretty much been the persecution of his rivals, including all fellow premier class world champions since he won his first premier class title.title.

I donít read his site anymore, but it would seem he has been both hypocritical and inconsistent if he is calling for a ban on MM for the Argentina thing after offering much more muted criticism of Rossi for Sepang 2015.

What finished him for me, not that he would care obviously, was the venomous/spiteful piece about Danny Kent a year or two back, for which absolutely no necessity was apparent.
The Danny Kent hatchet job showed who Kropo really is. It was a hit piece that journalist of repute would ever have engaged in. But he engaged in it and thought it was perfectly acceptable to do. Kropo is not worthy of an ounce of respect for how he conducts himself. Literally one of the most self-serving and ill-behaved "journalists" to grace MotoGP.
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I actually quite liked and respected David, both on his own site and when he posted here, and realised he had to make a living, and that we do go over the top in criticising Rossi at times, although while I recognise that there is a fine line if any between trolling and counter trolling I do quite strongly believe that Rossi has debased a sport I have followed from well before his time, and is complicit in what has pretty much been the persecution of his rivals, including all fellow premier class world champions since he won his first premier class title.

I donít read the motomatters site anymore, but it would seem he has been both hypocritical and inconsistent if he is calling for a ban on MM for the Argentina thing after offering much more muted criticism of Rossi for Sepang 2015. What finished him for me, not that he would care obviously, was the venomous/spiteful piece about Danny Kent a year or two back, for which absolutely no necessity was apparent.
Spot on Mike. I was a member of Krops site, and still today (unbeknownst to him) an un-banned member of his forum, but never posted more than 10 times. I was banned from the 'comments section' part of the site, rather oddly. Yeah, it's actually two different accounts required, not sure why he wanted users to sign up separately, though i suspect its all part of his plan to tightly control opinions. I emailed him after the ban and confronted him to explain why, in accordance to his stated rules for users, I was banned, and presented the "offending" comment in its entirety. His response was totally unprofessional, which amounted to, 'because I felt like it'. Fair play, it's his site, but people should be aware that dissenting opinions are not allowed, period. Keep in mind, I was cognizant that I had to tread lightly, so I worded my comments carefully to stay within the parameters, that didnít 'matter', as it came down to a whim on his part. I've long since lost the post, though I cut and pasted it on Roger's site for anybody to examine. Unfortunately, that forum was torched in similar fashion to this one. I suspect the only reason this site is still standing is because Duc doesnít give one fuck about it. It's great in the way that anybody can express themselves, though as you can see from the recent activity, it's a double edged sword when there is no restrain.

For me the GP media, and the entire sport for that matter, was tested during the Rossi debacle of 2015. Starting with the infamous Sepang Thursday pre-event press conference, the on track incident, the accompanying post event conferences (and Dorna controlled "de-briefs), and the aftermath. At no time other than Michael Scott, who suggested something to the affect Rossi ruthlessly used the debacle to distract from the reality that he himself lost grip of the title because he wasn't good enough, he needed a scape 'goat', were there voices that called out Rossi, Race Direction, and prominent figures that decidedly enabled Rossi. Other than this, I didn't read a solitary prominent voice calling out the entire debacle, certainly not the organizers, who quickly disavowed themselves from Race Direction, distancing themselves even today (except of course when DORNA demand Mike Webb interview be destroyed).

Not just media, the indictment goes for ex racers, who because of their accomplishments in the sport seem immune to criticism. Can you imagine David Emmett taking Kevin Schwantz to task for suggesting there might be some truth to Rossi's (Uccio's) conspiracy? Would Kropo talk about KS like he dragged Kent through the mud? That would take balls that Kropo doesnít have, not just Kropo, most GP journalists. It should seem absurd for us to question world champion and sport legend Kevin Schwantz right? I won't bother presenting quotes here, as I think I did a thorough job in the thread pertaining to it. (If anyone cares to scroll through all the trolling unfortunately klogging much of the discussions). But I've also been disappointed with Troy Bayliss, who called Marquez a "goon" whilst saying of Rossi's Argentine performance, "stylish". Let's shelve that Rossi was close to 4 secs a LAP slower than Marc, whilst on a factory machine no less where his 'inferior' satellite counterpart was battling for the win in 'style'. I digress. But as you say, the media was exposed in a moment where they should have acted as the fourth estate, a buffer, speaking truth to power, they failed spectacularly!

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Why are people upset about any articles regarding Danny Kent?
He fucked up his own career. Nobody else did it to him.
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Why are people upset about any articles regarding Danny Kent?
He fucked up his own career. Nobody else did it to him.
I agree that Kent made a big mistake, not surprisingly given his young age. The issue is that David Emmett used his considerable platform to take a giant shit on Kent by writing an article that had little to no journalistic duty. Particularly the fact he didnít even interview the kid to get his side of the story. There is a thread here in the lower categories about it. Your opinion would be interesting to hear, not so much on Kent's decision but rather the 'journalist acumen' for which it was presented.

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Thanks, I will take a look at it.
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Why are people upset about any articles regarding Danny Kent?
He fucked up his own career. Nobody else did it to him.
I agree he fucked up. But he did manage a Moto 3 championship, a not insignificant achievement as a bike racer, rather exceeding David Emmett blogs about the sport (or me for that matter obviously) so why did Emmett, august personage though he may be, feel the need to kick him when he was down?. That article went well beyond pointing out the obvious, that Kent had fucked up.
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I don’t remember the said article, I will read it up again to form an informed opinion.
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