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April 16th, 2018, 01:45 AM   #91
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To be honest, fellas, I really don't think that had this happened between any other riders it would've made any ripples.
By that I mean that there has been an awful lot of dissection as to where the blame lies, where as in reality it's just a racing incident. Take away the names involved and it would not be worth all the effort that's been poured into it.
Vale wasn't horrifically off line and Marc just lost the front in the wet, it's that simple. If you looked at the incidents during the race then it would come in as number 2 or 3 in the 'severity top ten' behind Zarco and possibly Petrucci.
Vale was only pushed wide and it was just a shame that he touched wet grass and went down.
Yes I know Marc also nudged Aleix, but I have seen a lot worse go unpunished.
It's more a question of how is a guy so much faster than the best riders in the world, when on equal tyres and a bike that isn't notably better than the competition.

Can you imagine what Marc could do if he had the advantage of 'overnight special' tyres or a bike as dominant as the RCV was in the first years of the 4 stroke era?
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Actually being able to find a doorknob is perhaps another stage in your own intellectual advancement. If you work out one day how to use one to open a door for Valentino perhaps you might have prospects of taking over Uccio’s job.
He will have to learn to do a lot more than that if he wants Uccio's job,he will have to be able to hold the ipad,pass his master earplugs,his gum shield,tissues to wipe his sweaty brow or dry his eyes when Marquez kicks his ass,blow on Rossi's food at meal times so it's not too hot for him,hold his cock so he can urinate with his race gloves on and of course act as heroic guardian of the pit garage
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To be honest, fellas, I really don't think that had this happened between any other riders it would've made any ripples.
By that I mean that there has been an awful lot of dissection as to where the blame lies, where as in reality it's just a racing incident. Take away the names involved and it would not be worth all the effort that's been poured into it.
Vale wasn't horrifically off line and Marc just lost the front in the wet, it's that simple. If you looked at the incidents during the race then it would come in as number 2 or 3 in the 'severity top ten' behind Zarco and possibly Petrucci.
Vale was only pushed wide and it was just a shame that he touched wet grass and went down.
Yes I know Marc also nudged Aleix, but I have seen a lot worse go unpunished.
It's more a question of how is a guy so much faster than the best riders in the world, when on equal tyres and a bike that isn't notably better than the competition.

Can you imagine what Marc could do if he had the advantage of 'overnight special' tyres or a bike as dominant as the RCV was in the first years of the 4 stroke era?
I agree with all this except the bit about it being a shame that he touched the wet grass and went down,that was the best bit of the race for me..funny as fuck,i only hope he does it again next race.
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To be honest, fellas, I really don't think that had this happened between any other riders it would've made any ripples.
By that I mean that there has been an awful lot of dissection as to where the blame lies, where as in reality it's just a racing incident. Take away the names involved and it would not be worth all the effort that's been poured into it.
Vale wasn't horrifically off line and Marc just lost the front in the wet, it's that simple. If you looked at the incidents during the race then it would come in as number 2 or 3 in the 'severity top ten' behind Zarco and possibly Petrucci.
Vale was only pushed wide and it was just a shame that he touched wet grass and went down.
Yes I know Marc also nudged Aleix, but I have seen a lot worse go unpunished.
It's more a question of how is a guy so much faster than the best riders in the world, when on equal tyres and a bike that isn't notably better than the competition.

Can you imagine what Marc could do if he had the advantage of 'overnight special' tyres or a bike as dominant as the RCV was in the first years of the 4 stroke era?
Absolutely agree about the incident, although the back history between the two imo may also have influenced how they reacted in the circumstance, perhaps both would have ridden differently against other riders. I agree with Gaz that Valentino is never going to concede a corner to MM in almost any circumstance if it is for a position, and MM would be naive to have any expectation of same. I can think of several such incidents when 1 or both riders were imo likely influenced by factors other than just the immediate situation in the race, including Rossi/Gibernau Jerez 2005, Pedrosa/Hayden 2006, Rossi/Stoner Jerez 2011, and Simoncelli/Pedrosa 2011 (?Estoril).

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Personally, looking at it this way, Rossi deliberately went wide in the knowledge that Marc being Marc would jump at the hole left on the inside in the hope he would then be able to screw Marc's season up to be as shit as the one he's enjoying now (Rossi's)

Gonna be honest I wanted to write pretty much exactly this but I wasn't in the mood to get roasted so I'll dedicate you this emoji:

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the back history between the two .
The trouble is the "back history" is really only animosity from rossi. I dont think Marquez gives a toss about rossi.

Its always been like that between rossi and anyone who bests him.
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Why don’t you log into the little Walter account and post something smart?
That’s your last resort whenever things get a bit too hot to handle innit?
Why, in your poor sad life, have you never had an original idea? Why have you never been funny? Why has all your sniping continually missed the mark? Why haven't you ever had any friends? Why have you always been such a lonely, socially inept and angry loser? What has led to believe anybody gives a shit about you and your irrelevant posts that are virtual, word-for-word, carbon copies of those we've seen from your fellow clones? Without your avatars, it's hard to tell you guys apart.

These are questions you should be asking.
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How do you explain 93 using 46 as a brake? Do you know what outcome I want lol.
Maybe MM could do a Rossi v Gibernau 2005 at the last corner at Jerez against Rossi. I'd love that.
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Sure, and he immediately apologized by waving, and tried to formally apologize in person. The overwhelming adverse bleak reaction by grandstanding media, ex-racers, fans, etc. doesn’t fit the crime. Otherwise we'd have this outrage all the time, why is this so exceptional? Will you admit it's a disconnected overreaction precisely because it involved Rossi? Otherwise, the reaction is entirely disproportionate, lopsided, skewed.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
He has way more form than almost any rider in history for this malarkey. I ran through this in one of my last 10 posts.

Lest we forget that you spent most of 2013 saying the same, even going so far as to call him 'Murder Marc'...
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He has way more form than almost any rider in history for this malarkey. I ran through this in one of my last 10 posts.

Lest we forget that you spent most of 2013 saying the same, even going so far as to call him 'Murder Marc'...
Sure he has form as a teenager in moto 2 with Darth Alzamora running him, but notwithstanding this the actual incident was hardly anything, and the type of move which was pretty much a signature move from Rossi in his pomp. You and others have dismissed multiple more questionable moves from Rossi some of which were deliberate as ancient history, btw. MM doesn’t have much form as a premier class rider for taking other riders out in races. I actually blamed him for the Pedrosa thing a few seasons back because he was running too close to Dani imo, but that was fairly freakish and involved a wire being severed iirc rather than barrelling into him.

If we are to look at more recent history devoid of context, the score for one rider taking the other out of a race is twice by Rossi, once by MM, also btw. The stuff about the grid move in this race is nonsense for the reasons Jumkie gave, RD were making it up as they went along, and Espargaro himself rather than Rossi fans observing the incident with MM had more problem with Zarco than MM in this race.

So sure, MM could have waited one corner and made a less risky pass, but that he is a terrible danger to Rossi other than to beat him in races and for titles is manufactured, particularly given Rossi has actually taken him out of a race by a deliberate illegal move.

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