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povol April 12th, 2018 08:17 AM

Who’s to blame for rough riding
 
Notice he mentions 4 riders by name but never once mentions the one all of them grew up idolizing and emulated their riding style after. Ultimately he blames us the fans for wanting a blood sport.


https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/o...bump-and-grind

MadMax April 12th, 2018 08:31 AM

What a retarded article.

danski April 12th, 2018 08:51 AM

'we are all part of the problem: the bikes, the riders, Dorna and all of us watching from the sidelines.'
Doesn't sound like he's blaming the fans only

#22 April 12th, 2018 08:57 AM

As I've said before, this is the same media that were actively encouraging Simoncelli's on track antics in 2011.....

Jumkie April 12th, 2018 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by povol (Post 446540)
Notice he mentions 4 riders by name but never once mentions the one all of them grew up idolizing and emulated their riding style after. Ultimately he blames us the fans for wanting a blood sport.


https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/o...bump-and-grind

Its typical of the gutless and overwhelmingly biased GP media skewed in Rossi's favor. Kropo took a few days to formulate his write up on the drama part of the Argentine event, and produced what can only be read as a one-sided prosecutorial indictment of Marc, calling for a race ban. It reflective of the sentiments expressed on social media, not surprisingly that Kropo would take up their collective expression. I'm surprised he didn't start off his article with: 'ladies and gentlemen of the yellow jury...' He did spend a bit of time on Rossi, much of it crafted in a way to 'appear' balanced, he even goes into a bit where he lavishes praise on Rossi remembering a spirited comeback in 2003 exhibiting his masterful display of skill, which he wedged in to make it sound relevant, but was nothing more than a yellow bone to his readers. The comments sections reads like an echo chamber, of course by design, Kropo once tweeted he bans first and fast to keep things smoothly. No words of descent, no counter argument. Its laughable. There's a part where Kropo, like you point out with Oxley, doesn't even have the guts to say which of the two parties is overwhelmingly responsible for the conflict (remember, its been spun as a "feud", as if both parties willing participants, forgetting of course Rossi single handedly started this conflict by using the media as a conduit, no less) "that the vendetta between Valentino Rossi and Marc Márquez – a vendetta which is held most firmly by one party, rather than the other – is alive and well, and not going away any time soon." Note, here Kropo finally acknowledges one side is more responsible, but then cowardly fails to say which side. Mat Oxley is a Rossi apologist, he might as well be his lawyer. These kinds of omissions serve them well, the Rossi fans and those rather casual fans become easily influenced, creating more of the culture we have now, where Rossi can be provided with a megaphone for his outlandish accusations that have "ruined" racing and the sport.

Jumkie April 12th, 2018 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by danski (Post 446545)
'we are all part of the problem: the bikes, the riders, Dorna and all of us watching from the sidelines.'
Doesn't sound like he's blaming the fans only

"there is someone else who stands accused of causing all this bumping and barging: you."

Notice the "." After the word "you". That's us.

Notice he didn’t say, Rossi’s overwhelming influence on what is allowed and encouraged, and the years of celebrated aggressive, harsh, and deliberate moves, which Rossi with the help of the media (him, Oxley) served as a platform when Rossi mocked those who objected to those tactics.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

MadMax April 12th, 2018 10:13 AM

We aren't responsible for any of it.

We have no authority on how the game is played.

If a kid eats a ton of treats and gets sick, you can't say "Well, you asked for the treats". Because he has no say in what he gets, he can only ask.

If the fans ask for blood, it's the organizers call on whether to give it or not.

Jumkie April 12th, 2018 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MadMax (Post 446555)
We aren't responsible for any of it.

We have no authority on how the game is played.

The organizers hold all the cards, the situation the sport is in IS precisely because those with the power have created the Mad Yellow Emperor, one that served their business model much succe$$, but in terms of authentic competition has 'now' become problematic to both appease Rossi and preside over evenhandedly; so Race Direction kowtows by issuing penalties that otherwise it would have never reviewed, exemplified by non reviewed incidents in the Argentine race.

There is an interesting sentence buried (by design) in Kropo's last write up that gives us a glimpse into what I've been talking about for years, read this:

"senior Dorna staff prevented journalists from speaking to Race Director Mike Webb after the race, even forcing one journalist to delete an interview they had recorded with Webb."

How many readers do you think noticed this contradiction?

The entire show is an industriously crafted charade, manipulated and steered by design; even the dissemination or obstruction of information is mindfully and forcefully enforced.

Now ask yourself this question (god knows you wont hear “journalist” taking Carmelo to task) how does this slip of the tongue by Kropo square with the press release issued by Carmelo Ezpeleta that was designed to remind us Dorna have nothing to do with Race Direction? Notice it says, “senior Dorna staff prevented”. Wait, Dorna doesn’t have anything to do with Race Direction, right Carmelo? Why would DORNA obstruct access and information to Mike Webb, Raced Direction official? Carmelo has repeated this bullshit, even a special little video on motogp.com has him repeating the lie that Dorna has nothing to do with Race Direction now. The truth is, they do, they control Race Direction, they control Mike Webb’s access or lack there of, and many details about everything are designed conscientiously. It’s a small totalitarian kingdom.

MadMax April 12th, 2018 10:53 AM

Very interesting observation, Jumkie.

Note it goes without saying or comment that they can force a journalist to delete an interview.

Well, if he ever wants access again they can force him. Kropo should have put it in single quotes like 'journalist'.

Jumkie April 12th, 2018 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MadMax (Post 446559)
Very interesting observation, Jumkie.

Note it goes without saying or comment that they can force a journalist to delete an interview.

Well, if he ever wants access again they can force him. Kropo should have put it in single quotes like 'journalist'.

Lets try to imagine the leverage Dorna might hold on a "journalist" to force him to delete an interview. Lets try to imagine this happening in any other situation in the world where a "journalist" is forced to destroy information.

May I quote Rossi: "He has destroyed the sport."


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