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April 11th, 2018, 12:58 PM   #1
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Marquez banned for 2 races

I know that will never happen given the heavy "Spanish" influence in MotoGP ... which is fine, if you can't win with talent rely on help from FIM/Dorna. Isn't new "news" that MotoGP is looking for another "Legend" and they want it to be Spanish rather than Italian ... I don't think anyone is surprised at the "favors" Marquez gets starting from being allowed in MotoGP factory team as a rookie to today's lack of discipline on Marquez ... FIM/DORNA want a Spaniard holding all the "records" not an Italian.

I think the most frustrating part about the Argentina MotoGP race was not so much the "single" incident with Rossi, but the Multiple stupid incidents by several riders from Zarco to Marquez. Marquez had 4 rules violations including riding reverse direction on grid (in most professional racing sports that's an instant DQ), Zarco 2 rules violations ... etc. Going back to last year Rossi got a point on his license for "blocking" Lorenzo during qualification which was completely bogus but became relevant after Sepang when Rossi had 3 points (2 after the Marquez incident) so FIM told him to start from the back ending any possible fight for the championship. I think it's a ridiculous level of inconsistency that's being applied ... it feels more like a case of "who the stewards like and don't like" rather than the implementation of rules as written in the governing documents.

It doesn't take talent to use one's corner entry inertia and the "other" rider as the inertia damper ... any rider can do that and has done that in the past ... all of them from Rossi to Marquez to Cal to you name it. It happens, so either enforce the rules or don't, because if a rider knows he can get away with it, he'll continue to do it.

I personally would rather see clean passing as that really establishes a much higher level of talent, contact racing maybe interesting to some, but it has no interest for me as a fan or as a real racer. A "faster" rider/bike combo will be able to pass without contact ... it's when the talent runs out we get the drama. If I wanted "Drama TV" I would watch something else ... perhaps FIM/Dorna are confused and think "drama = excitement"? Well it doesn't.

Being a native Brit that has now been "Americanized", I'm very happy for Cal and I hope he gets the Factory Honda MotoGP ride next year ... probably replace Pedrosa who I like but baffles me why he's still with Honda factory ride ... back to the "Spanish" aspect again I guess.

Irony is that I "was" a Marquez fan, he was going to be my replacement Rossi ... but when Marquez started to show signs of obvious talent problems (one year he crashed out more than he finished races), then involved himself in the drama with Rossi (twice now), and progressively shows no respect for anyone, I just can't find myself liking Marquez, he doesn't represent that which is good in life, he represents that which is bad in life. Add to the fact Marquez is now under suspicion of doping (aka some form of Steroids which might explain the excessive aggression as a common side affect of Steroids).

Each year I keep hoping Marquez will mature, and every year he just repeats his old bad habits, he's never going to be a Rossi replacement for me. I come to MotoGP to watch racing and talent and excitement, not full contact drama demolition derby style (maybe that's what works for others, but not me) ... if I want to see that I'll watch NASCAR. But I consider MotoGP a step above that type of racing ... am I wrong?

Cheers, Rob.
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Irony is that I "was" a Marquez fan, he was going to be my replacement Rossi ... but when Marquez started to show signs of obvious talent problems (one year he crashed out more than he finished races), then involved himself in the drama with Rossi (twice now), and progressively shows no respect for anyone, I just can't find myself liking Marquez, he doesn't represent that which is good in life, he represents that which is bad in life. Add to the fact Marquez is now under suspicion of doping (aka some form of Steroids which might explain the excessive aggression as a common side affect of Steroids).
So why then does he support more testing as shown in this article? https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/89...oping-controls

Personally I'm all for it but I don't get their its harder to test them whe its easy after every race each rider has blood and urine tests

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...he's never going to be a Rossi replacement for me. I come to MotoGP to watch racing and talent and excitement, not full contact drama demolition derby style (maybe that's what works for others, but not me) ... if I want to see that I'll watch NASCAR. But I consider MotoGP a step above that type of racing ... am I wrong?

Cheers, Rob.
Somehow I doubt you are a Rossi fan simultaneously didnít love his full contact drama, given that, his career is exemplified by the tactic. The gist of the social media sphere seems to be a parroting of Rossiís recent sentiment, but certainly not his sentiment over the decades, aggressive racing is bad, dangerous, and unacceptable....only now that he's (and his fans) had a taste of his own medicine.









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I know that will never happen given the heavy "Spanish" influence in MotoGP ... which is fine, if you can't win with talent rely on help from FIM/Dorna. Isn't new "news" that MotoGP is looking for another "Legend" and they want it to be Spanish rather than Italian ... I don't think anyone is surprised at the "favors" Marquez gets starting from being allowed in MotoGP factory team as a rookie to today's lack of discipline on Marquez ... FIM/DORNA want a Spaniard holding all the "records" not an Italian.

I think the most frustrating part about the Argentina MotoGP race was not so much the "single" incident with Rossi, but the Multiple stupid incidents by several riders from Zarco to Marquez. Marquez had 4 rules violations including riding reverse direction on grid (in most professional racing sports that's an instant DQ), Zarco 2 rules violations ... etc. Going back to last year Rossi got a point on his license for "blocking" Lorenzo during qualification which was completely bogus but became relevant after Sepang when Rossi had 3 points (2 after the Marquez incident) so FIM told him to start from the back ending any possible fight for the championship. I think it's a ridiculous level of inconsistency that's being applied ... it feels more like a case of "who the stewards like and don't like" rather than the implementation of rules as written in the governing documents.

It doesn't take talent to use one's corner entry inertia and the "other" rider as the inertia damper ... any rider can do that and has done that in the past ... all of them from Rossi to Marquez to Cal to you name it. It happens, so either enforce the rules or don't, because if a rider knows he can get away with it, he'll continue to do it.

I personally would rather see clean passing as that really establishes a much higher level of talent, contact racing maybe interesting to some, but it has no interest for me as a fan or as a real racer. A "faster" rider/bike combo will be able to pass without contact ... it's when the talent runs out we get the drama. If I wanted "Drama TV" I would watch something else ... perhaps FIM/Dorna are confused and think "drama = excitement"? Well it doesn't.

Being a native Brit that has now been "Americanized", I'm very happy for Cal and I hope he gets the Factory Honda MotoGP ride next year ... probably replace Pedrosa who I like but baffles me why he's still with Honda factory ride ... back to the "Spanish" aspect again I guess.

Irony is that I "was" a Marquez fan, he was going to be my replacement Rossi ... but when Marquez started to show signs of obvious talent problems (one year he crashed out more than he finished races), then involved himself in the drama with Rossi (twice now), and progressively shows no respect for anyone, I just can't find myself liking Marquez, he doesn't represent that which is good in life, he represents that which is bad in life. Add to the fact Marquez is now under suspicion of doping (aka some form of Steroids which might explain the excessive aggression as a common side affect of Steroids).

Each year I keep hoping Marquez will mature, and every year he just repeats his old bad habits, he's never going to be a Rossi replacement for me. I come to MotoGP to watch racing and talent and excitement, not full contact drama demolition derby style (maybe that's what works for others, but not me) ... if I want to see that I'll watch NASCAR. But I consider MotoGP a step above that type of racing ... am I wrong?

Cheers, Rob.
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I know that will never happen given the heavy "Spanish" influence in MotoGP ... which is fine, if you can't win with talent rely on help from FIM/Dorna. Isn't new "news" that MotoGP is looking for another "Legend" and they want it to be Spanish rather than Italian ... I don't think anyone is surprised at the "favors" Marquez gets starting from being allowed in MotoGP factory team as a rookie to today's lack of discipline on Marquez ... FIM/DORNA want a Spaniard holding all the "records" not an Italian.

I think the most frustrating part about the Argentina MotoGP race was not so much the "single" incident with Rossi, but the Multiple stupid incidents by several riders from Zarco to Marquez. Marquez had 4 rules violations including riding reverse direction on grid (in most professional racing sports that's an instant DQ), Zarco 2 rules violations ... etc. Going back to last year Rossi got a point on his license for "blocking" Lorenzo during qualification which was completely bogus but became relevant after Sepang when Rossi had 3 points (2 after the Marquez incident) so FIM told him to start from the back ending any possible fight for the championship. I think it's a ridiculous level of inconsistency that's being applied ... it feels more like a case of "who the stewards like and don't like" rather than the implementation of rules as written in the governing documents.

It doesn't take talent to use one's corner entry inertia and the "other" rider as the inertia damper ... any rider can do that and has done that in the past ... all of them from Rossi to Marquez to Cal to you name it. It happens, so either enforce the rules or don't, because if a rider knows he can get away with it, he'll continue to do it.

I personally would rather see clean passing as that really establishes a much higher level of talent, contact racing maybe interesting to some, but it has no interest for me as a fan or as a real racer. A "faster" rider/bike combo will be able to pass without contact ... it's when the talent runs out we get the drama. If I wanted "Drama TV" I would watch something else ... perhaps FIM/Dorna are confused and think "drama = excitement"? Well it doesn't.

Being a native Brit that has now been "Americanized", I'm very happy for Cal and I hope he gets the Factory Honda MotoGP ride next year ... probably replace Pedrosa who I like but baffles me why he's still with Honda factory ride ... back to the "Spanish" aspect again I guess.

Irony is that I "was" a Marquez fan, he was going to be my replacement Rossi ... but when Marquez started to show signs of obvious talent problems (one year he crashed out more than he finished races), then involved himself in the drama with Rossi (twice now), and progressively shows no respect for anyone, I just can't find myself liking Marquez, he doesn't represent that which is good in life, he represents that which is bad in life. Add to the fact Marquez is now under suspicion of doping (aka some form of Steroids which might explain the excessive aggression as a common side affect of Steroids).

Each year I keep hoping Marquez will mature, and every year he just repeats his old bad habits, he's never going to be a Rossi replacement for me. I come to MotoGP to watch racing and talent and excitement, not full contact drama demolition derby style (maybe that's what works for others, but not me) ... if I want to see that I'll watch NASCAR. But I consider MotoGP a step above that type of racing ... am I wrong?

Cheers, Rob.
Seriously??? 11 posts in 6 years and you come up with that??now we know,Marquez has no talent and he's on steroids...go back to sleep.
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I know that will never happen given the heavy "Spanish" influence in MotoGP ... which is fine, if you can't win with talent rely on help from FIM/Dorna. Isn't new "news" that MotoGP is looking for another "Legend" and they want it to be Spanish rather than Italian ... I don't think anyone is surprised at the "favors" Marquez gets starting from being allowed in MotoGP factory team as a rookie to today's lack of discipline on Marquez ... FIM/DORNA want a Spaniard holding all the "records" not an Italian.

I think the most frustrating part about the Argentina MotoGP race was not so much the "single" incident with Rossi, but the Multiple stupid incidents by several riders from Zarco to Marquez. Marquez had 4 rules violations including riding reverse direction on grid (in most professional racing sports that's an instant DQ), Zarco 2 rules violations ... etc. Going back to last year Rossi got a point on his license for "blocking" Lorenzo during qualification which was completely bogus but became relevant after Sepang when Rossi had 3 points (2 after the Marquez incident) so FIM told him to start from the back ending any possible fight for the championship. I think it's a ridiculous level of inconsistency that's being applied ... it feels more like a case of "who the stewards like and don't like" rather than the implementation of rules as written in the governing documents.

It doesn't take talent to use one's corner entry inertia and the "other" rider as the inertia damper ... any rider can do that and has done that in the past ... all of them from Rossi to Marquez to Cal to you name it. It happens, so either enforce the rules or don't, because if a rider knows he can get away with it, he'll continue to do it.

I personally would rather see clean passing as that really establishes a much higher level of talent, contact racing maybe interesting to some, but it has no interest for me as a fan or as a real racer. A "faster" rider/bike combo will be able to pass without contact ... it's when the talent runs out we get the drama. If I wanted "Drama TV" I would watch something else ... perhaps FIM/Dorna are confused and think "drama = excitement"? Well it doesn't.

Being a native Brit that has now been "Americanized", I'm very happy for Cal and I hope he gets the Factory Honda MotoGP ride next year ... probably replace Pedrosa who I like but baffles me why he's still with Honda factory ride ... back to the "Spanish" aspect again I guess.

Irony is that I "was" a Marquez fan, he was going to be my replacement Rossi ... but when Marquez started to show signs of obvious talent problems (one year he crashed out more than he finished races), then involved himself in the drama with Rossi (twice now), and progressively shows no respect for anyone, I just can't find myself liking Marquez, he doesn't represent that which is good in life, he represents that which is bad in life. Add to the fact Marquez is now under suspicion of doping (aka some form of Steroids which might explain the excessive aggression as a common side affect of Steroids).

Each year I keep hoping Marquez will mature, and every year he just repeats his old bad habits, he's never going to be a Rossi replacement for me. I come to MotoGP to watch racing and talent and excitement, not full contact drama demolition derby style (maybe that's what works for others, but not me) ... if I want to see that I'll watch NASCAR. But I consider MotoGP a step above that type of racing ... am I wrong?

Cheers, Rob.
You guys would follow Rossi off a cliff like lemmings, or in a re-enactment of the Jonestown massacre.
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Can't win on talent?
Well that's just it, he can win on talent ... no different than other rider(s) that can win on talent. Right bike, right setup, right body weight/height, they all have the talent to win. But when Marquez has a bad talent day, it becomes everyone else's problem rather than just HIS problem.

Jumkie,

Thanks for the pictures, great example of just how different Rossi's approach to passing vs. Marquez approach to passing ... although I assume you thought they would cast a bad light, they don't and they're all from different years and not 4 blatant violations in one race like Marquez. Heck the Rossi Laguna pass was off track to avoid contact (I was actually at that Race).

Theo,

That article about doping shows Cal as the one requesting more testing, everyone else just agreed and Rossi was the only to point out ability to circumvent testing (Lance Armstrong for example) so he doesn't know how effective it would be. Not a single rider openly suggested they were against testing for steroids, as expected ... anyone that says NO would immediately be a suspect.

Like Rossi suggested, I hope MotoGP doesn't evolve into a Demolition Derby ... I've got NASCAR for that. Any rider can dive bomb into a corner on the inside and take out the other rider and stay upright ... that's not talent ... I hope Rossi and other's step above that don't reciprocate against Marquez. If Marquez wants respect, he'll need to figure out how to pass without crashing others out ... but who knows, maybe he doesn't want respect?

Cheers, Rob.

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