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April 12th, 2018, 04:00 AM   #21
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So the long and short of it is you were a Marquez fan until Rossi told you not to be.
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Jumkie, if you want to call that piece of track Marquez's you're effectively changing the rules of the sport. As they stand the rider in front has the line and choice of line, it's up to the rider behind to pass safely which didn't happen.
It did happen Marc made it through.. But rossi opened the door then tried to close it when he realised Marquez was going through. Then he feigned the effect by having a booboo in the grass.
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Just finished reading Argentina round up Part 3 on Motomatters, interesting read. Krop does call Rossi's claim that Marquez targeted him deliberately "A step too far".

Later on in the article, he cites a quote from Lorenzo about getting banned for a race in 2005 as support/justification for the same thing to happen to Marquez. One thing about that comment that did interest me though, is how many people (apart from Lorenzo) were calling for Simoncelli to have a one race ban in 2011 when he was crashing out a lot of top riders? In fact quite the opposite; in that now famous press conference with Lorenzo, the media were actively encouraging his behaviour. Call me paranoid but could it have been something to do with the fact that Simoncelli was biddies with, and being touted as the next Rossi?

I'm not defending Marquez' actions in Argentina, but again highlighting the inconsistency.
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The "Spanish" influence against Rossi? This makes me cringe. No rider in the history of this sport has ever been more advantaged by the rules than Rossi himself.

Also, Marquez "can't win with talent"? AHAHAHA dude, I'm not saying he rode clean on sunday but he was a good couple seconds faster than the guys he was overtaking.

It's also not true that they want winners to be Spanish rather than Italian. NOTHING would sell more than Rossi clinching his 10th title.

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Speaking of getting banned, the clickbait title of this thread should warrant a ban. How the fuck does this get 3 pages of response . Marquez on a bulldozer is funny, what’s even funnier is he made up over 30 seconds on a bulldozer to catch Rossi
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Speaking of getting banned, the clickbait title of this thread should warrant a ban. How the fuck does this get 3 pages of response . Marquez on a bulldozer is funny, what’s even funnier is he made up over 30 seconds on a bulldozer to catch Rossi
The only thing inaccurate is JLo would not be in the shot. He would be a half lap behind still.
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Jumkie, if you want to call that piece of track Marquez's you're effectively changing the rules of the sport. As they stand the rider in front has the line and choice of line, it's up to the rider behind to pass safely which didn't happen.
I understand the overall point, but this is not a change of rules, to the contrary, I'm pointing out something rather routine. The optics look bad because Rossi tried to turn on wet grass and went down. I'll grant that it was caused by Marc taking a space Rossi "thought" he was entitled too, but if you look here, they were even, therefore it's a 50/50 entitlement with the inside rider holding the rightful advantage, worst case it's a "racing incident". This was achieved by Marc, he was even with Rossi when they collided (partly do to Rossi trying to close the door he had just left open). This happens often in routine passes.

Now you probably never noticed it, but I've argued against these types of moves for years. I prefer clean racing, and the only way to do that is to consistently punish unclean racing, and that doesn't mean collision must occur to be dirty, for example Rossi brake checking Stoner at Laguna, no collision, still dirty, and the more severe the greater the punishment. For example, if Race Direction had disqualified Rossi when he deliberately crashed out Marc, and suspended his license for 3-6 months, the message would have been heard loud and clear, deliberate attacks to crash riders is so antithetical, dangerous, and egregious that it has no place in racing. That would be appropriate, and as it goes, punishments serve as deterrent, perhaps it would have prevented the Canet situation. The problem is they're allowed within the framework of the rules, and more importantly within the precedent of the body of Race Direction’s decisions on such incidents. You're saying this isn't allowed within the rules, that's not only incorrect but it's opposed to the general actions of Race Direction who are the supposed authority, and they have in fact been reluctant to punish this, EXCEPT in occasions as rare as this one that it was done to Rossi's detriment. That's exceptionalism. Marquez was effectively disqualified for a race incident that has overwhelmingly gone unreviewed, much less punished.


You may however argue to change the rules, which the media sphere is arguing, as opposed to enforce the rules, big difference. If we don't allow this anymore than let's change the rules, because this type of manure (pun) has been allowed for years, particularly celebrated when Rossi has done it. I've argued against this type of passing in fact (see my Misano take when Rossi took the space inside Lorenzo, where unlike Rossi in this case took evasive action to avoid contact.) That incident wasn't reviewed.



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Speaking of getting banned, the clickbait title of this thread should warrant a ban. How the fuck does this get 3 pages of response . Marquez on a bulldozer is funny, what’s even funnier is he made up over 30 seconds on a bulldozer to catch Rossi
I have had over 30 years of enjoyment from gp bike racing. However it appears to be transitioning from being one of the last true sports. That Rossi was slower than Marc to a close to ludicrous extent as a factory Yamaha rider on control tyres seems to be lost in the narrative of what is now in danger of becoming yet another narrative based sport, and it looks as though the narrative this year will be that MM must be stopped from stealing another title from Valentino. Being 2 seconds a lap faster than the poor old codger is obviously blatantly unfair.

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