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April 4th, 2018, 06:25 PM   #21
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he hasn't even won a race yet, a couple years ago Maverick was in this position, and before that Jack Miller... his riding style does not seem to fit the Honda or the Ducati, however Ducati has a better arrangement with their satellite teams, and might be able to work out a deal with Pramac (though a very good case can be made for keeping both Petrucci and Miller).

Honda would need to dump Pedrosa, and that could mean all sorts of rider moves.

Personally I think KTM might be his best fit, they have $$$, he would be a #1 rider, and soon they will have a competitive bike.
Yeah about KTM I think people haven't figured out they aren't going to be overhauling Honda, Yamaha, or Ducati any time soon. All this talk about KTM and their commitment means fuck all as they have Mount Everest in front of them. Let me know when they can outperform Suzuki.
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No, they aren’t yet, but they don’t have a proper rider either. I’ve never really rated smith or pol very highly. At the bottom of the mid-level riders. I also think they will outperform Suzuki within a few years. I would say they’ve already made huge leaps without the decades of experience with big bikes that Suzuki and aprillia have had, but hey seem to be taking it a little more seriously than them. They are both smaller factories but Suzuki is and always has been cheap. All that rbr money has to do something. They proved that with their dirty bikes. I know it’s not apples to apples, but saying their commitment means nothing seems short sighted. Look where Ducati was a few years ago.
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Yeah about KTM I think people haven't figured out they aren't going to be overhauling Honda, Yamaha, or Ducati any time soon. All this talk about KTM and their commitment means fuck all as they have Mount Everest in front of them. Let me know when they can outperform Suzuki.
KTM's current riders are shit, Mika Kallio is probably the best rider they have. However KTM's focus is the bike right now, and whiles its not great right now, the company is willing to make the commitment needed to make it competitive. As long as they are willing to step up, hire the right engineers (they have the cash to lure people from other teams) they will make the bike competitive. then its just a matter of hiring the correct riders.
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No, they arenít yet, but they donít have a proper rider either. Iíve never really rated smith or pol very highly. At the bottom of the mid-level riders. I also think they will outperform Suzuki within a few years. I would say theyíve already made huge leaps without the decades of experience with big bikes that Suzuki and aprillia have had, but hey seem to be taking it a little more seriously than them. They are both smaller factories but Suzuki is and always has been cheap. All that rbr money has to do something. They proved that with their dirty bikes. I know itís not apples to apples, but saying their commitment means nothing seems short sighted. Look where Ducati was a few years ago.
Since the 4-stroke era commenced, Ducati is the only non-Japanese factory to win a world championship.

Sure I don't rate their riders highly at all, but they need to be a consistent midfield bike to have a chance at a top rider, and reality is no top rider is going to commit potential career suicide by going to a team that is behind Suzuki. Suzuki may have been cheap in the past but they were willing to put the money in to fix their engine and it shows.

All the Red Bull money doesn't mean anything since HRC can just outspend them into oblivion. Too bad they don't do that for WSBK, but that's another story. Ducati was making progress over the past number of years going back to 2013. Hiring Gigi accelerated that process, but whether it results in a world title or not is another story since at the end of the day, going up against Marc Marquez is a colossal task. KTM isn't touching HRC this year, next year, or the year after that.
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KTM's current riders are shit, Mika Kallio is probably the best rider they have. However KTM's focus is the bike right now, and whiles its not great right now, the company is willing to make the commitment needed to make it competitive. As long as they are willing to step up, hire the right engineers (they have the cash to lure people from other teams) they will make the bike competitive. then its just a matter of hiring the correct riders.
They can make all the commitment they want, doesn't mean they are ever going to get to where they want.

Zarco isn't going to go to KTM you know why? He wants a competitive bike. KTM isn't it.
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Since the 4-stroke era commenced, Ducati is the only non-Japanese factory to win a world championship.

Sure I don't rate their riders highly at all, but they need to be a consistent midfield bike to have a chance at a top rider, and reality is no top rider is going to commit potential career suicide by going to a team that is behind Suzuki. Suzuki may have been cheap in the past but they were willing to put the money in to fix their engine and it shows.

All the Red Bull money doesn't mean anything since HRC can just outspend them into oblivion. Too bad they don't do that for WSBK, but that's another story. Ducati was making progress over the past number of years going back to 2013. Hiring Gigi accelerated that process, but whether it results in a world title or not is another story since at the end of the day, going up against Marc Marquez is a colossal task. KTM isn't touching HRC this year, next year, or the year after that.
I agree with you on many levels. I feel like they are willing to get the correct people and be typical German/Austrian and be very calculated about their program which is something I regard as being a japanese trait also. Getting a good rider is going to be difficult, I agree. I suppose they are going to have to hope that some of their moto2 talent pans out, which will set them back and it too bad.

As for going up against HRC and Marc, that’s unfair. You could put him on anything and he’s going to be at the pointy end of it. I get that hrc’s budget it nearly endless but that shouldn’t be in their field of vision. They also have a large budget so that should be a non issue to be able to capitalize. Ape and Suzuki should. I am a bit of a closet KTM fan so I suppose I’m jaded slightly. I don’t think of Hervť as a dumb or knee jerk type of guy so I suppose his move bolsters my opinion of KTM. (I understand money was a factor for him also) There is a steep cliff in front of those boys I won’t argue with that in he slightest. I’ve always respected your opinion of racing

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I agree with you on many levels. I feel like they are willing to get the correct people and be typical German/Austrian and be very calculated about their program which is something I regard as being a japanese trait also. Getting a good rider is going to be difficult, I agree. I suppose they are going to have to hope that some of their moto2 talent pans out, which will set them back and it too bad.

As for going up against HRC and Marc, thatís unfair. You could put him on anything and heís going to be at the pointy end of it. I get that hrcís budget it nearly endless but that shouldnít be in their field of vision. They also have a large budget so that should be a non issue to be able to capitalize. Ape and Suzuki should. I am a bit of a closet KTM fan so I suppose Iím jaded slightly. I donít think of Hervť as a dumb or knee jerk type of guy so I suppose his move bolsters my opinion of KTM. (I understand money was a factor for him also) There is a steep cliff in front of those boys I wonít argue with that in he slightest. Iíve always respected your opinion of racing

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Their only hope is a rider better than their current crop is left without a seat somewhere and is forced to take the KTM ride due to necessity of staying on the grid. That might give them something. If they have to rely on Moto 2 talent, it's going to be a long time for them to make progress.

I think Herve had no choice at the end of the day and KTM were the only ones willing to supply extra bikes. Might work out well for both, or it might work out poorly. If Zarco leaves he better hope Folger comes back for 2019 assuming too of course that he wants to run Folger again. That though could be something KTM could do too, take a chance on Folger since we know he is better than either Pol or Smith. We'll see what happens. If they continue the same lineup, 2019 is going to be another waste of a year.

Thanks, loved that Vistalite Amber Ludwig set Bonham used in 1973. Wasn't as big of a fan of the Ludwig steel kit he used in 1977 even though that tour was epic. But that's really splitting hairs since he was absolutely on his game then. Madison Square Garden 1973...3 monster shows in a row...that was them at their best. Happen to be listening to the July 28th show as I type this.
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Their only hope is a rider better than their current crop is left without a seat somewhere and is forced to take the KTM ride due to necessity of staying on the grid. That might give them something. If they have to rely on Moto 2 talent, it's going to be a long time for them to make progress.

I think Herve had no choice at the end of the day and KTM were the only ones willing to supply extra bikes. Might work out well for both, or it might work out poorly. If Zarco leaves he better hope Folger comes back for 2019 assuming too of course that he wants to run Folger again. That though could be something KTM could do too, take a chance on Folger since we know he is better than either Pol or Smith. We'll see what happens. If they continue the same lineup, 2019 is going to be another waste of a year.

Thanks, loved that Vistalite Amber Ludwig set Bonham used in 1973. Wasn't as big of a fan of the Ludwig steel kit he used in 1977 even though that tour was epic. But that's really splitting hairs since he was absolutely on his game then. Madison Square Garden 1973...3 monster shows in a row...that was them at their best. Happen to be listening to the July 28th show as I type this.
For huge arenas those vistalite kits sang. I always felt steel should be reserved strictly for a snare. Steel kits donít have the depth and warmth. Supraphonic snare with the vista and 2002/giant beatS, get out of here. I hate I was born in the wrong era. There are a few bands from the modern era that play heavy blues rock but they are far and few between.
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For huge arenas those vistalite kits sang. I always felt steel should be reserved strictly for a snare. Steel kits donít have the depth and warmth. Supraphonic snare with the vista and 2002/giant beatS, get out of here. I hate I was born in the wrong era. There are a few bands from the modern era that play heavy blues rock but they are far and few between.
Agreed about the steel kit, always thought that was what was lacking during the 77 tour. It didnt have the warmth the Vistalite kit had. It's always jarring listening to the Rock and Roll encore opening because it's just harsh in sound compared to the past tours. But I always felt 77 could be described as manic in overall sound.

Ditto on being born in the wrong era, my old boss saw Zep at the Garden on February 12, 1975. Said it was at that time the loudest concert she ever heard. Great show overall. The soundboard bootleg was phenomenal for that show.
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Okay so Honda used to make the odd crap bike, but the bike now isn't crap, I feel its made for MM and thats why some think its hard work, but does MM think its bad or not good, I don't think so, after all a bike thats made to suit a rider is the way to go, not make a bike thats crowd friendly. I've ridden bikes that others can't and I've been on bikes that I can't ride properly, they don't suit me. So maybe in a few years we will see 2 bikes in a garage that look totally different to each other, just the name on the bike is the same.
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