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April 4th, 2018, 09:57 AM   #11
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How do you know its the hardest factory bike to ride? To me the hardest bikes to ride are the crap ones and Honda don't do crap bikes.
Honda don't do crap bikes? How about that 2007 Pedrocycle?

Honda fucked up in 2015 with the screamer engine that performed in the heat of Malaysia, and then didn't perform so well as soon as cooler temperatures came along. They had problems well into 2017 with their bike. Marquez was the difference maker on the last screamer they built in 2016, and when he got the right baseline setup at last year's midpoint, he started reeling off wins.

I hate Crutchlow but he has said numerous times the Honda is the most difficult of the factory bikes to ride because it requires far more physicality than any of the others including the Desmosedici.
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How do you know its the hardest factory bike to ride? To me the hardest bikes to ride are the crap ones and Honda don't do crap bikes.
They are not crap bikes in any literal sense. They are according to many, very high strung unlike the more tractable "ride on rails" Yamaha. Ask yourself, who has won championships on the Honda in the years after 2006? Only two extraordinary riders. Stoner and Marquez both famous for riding in a constant state of crash and save. IMHO Marquez has already surpassed Stoner in that regard.
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Ok, now for the part where I get ran off the forum.....Yamaha had the perfect opportunity to put Zarco on it's factory M1 next year but signed Vale to another contract. Not slagging Rossi folks, but damn, Yamaha can't honestly think he can win another championship?
Yea, I'll eat crow if Rossi pulls one out of his arse this year.
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Honestly? I don't believe they think he can either, but he is a marketing god. The term 'Pay Driver' has been used in F1 for a long time, can Rossi finally be classed as a 'pay rider'? I know he podiumed last time out but I doubt he will be consistently in the top 3 this yr.
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They are not crap bikes in any literal sense. They are according to many, very high strung unlike the more tractable "ride on rails" Yamaha. Ask yourself, who has won championships on the Honda in the years after 2006? Only two extraordinary riders. Stoner and Marquez both famous for riding in a constant state of crash and save. IMHO Marquez has already surpassed Stoner in that regard.
Honda can be it's own worst enemy due to arrogance. Hell who knows maybe they thought boredom would set in if they won all the time?
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Honda can be it's own worst enemy due to arrogance. Hell who knows maybe they thought boredom would set in if they won all the time?
I know I've said this before somewhere; but that has been true historically (or at least as long as I've been following the sport). My first intimation of this was back when Erv Kanemoto was doing all kinds of unauthorized modifications to Freddie Spencer's frames. There were rumors then that he even used frames not made by Honda because they wouldn't listen to his requests for changes based on Spencer's input. There was a fair amount of tension between him and HRC - tho it was kept on the down-low. So yes - they have always had a kind of almost chauvinistic arrogance that seemed to prioritize showcasing flashy engineering advances over actually winning races.

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How do you know its the hardest factory bike to ride? To me the hardest bikes to ride are the crap ones and Honda don't do crap bikes.
The general consensus in the paddock is the Honda is very fast bike if you figure out how to ride it. It takes a lot of physical rider input to find its limits and is designed to make time under braking, a big reason Dani has never reached his potential in GP. He is not physical and is not a late braker.
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he hasn't even won a race yet, a couple years ago Maverick was in this position, and before that Jack Miller... his riding style does not seem to fit the Honda or the Ducati, however Ducati has a better arrangement with their satellite teams, and might be able to work out a deal with Pramac (though a very good case can be made for keeping both Petrucci and Miller).

Honda would need to dump Pedrosa, and that could mean all sorts of rider moves.

Personally I think KTM might be his best fit, they have $$$, he would be a #1 rider, and soon they will have a competitive bike.
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