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March 27th, 2018, 04:50 AM   #61
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People don't leave the North because of bad politics. They move south because their arteries have hardened, and can't stand the cold anymore.

Politics... people take them with them wherever they go.
Exactly. People move for climate reasons, be they the weather or financial. No one declines a move to an area because it's bible bashing or not, or because of their political affiliations. I know a couple who are good friends of ours who moved from Seattle to the midwest because they got offered good jobs. They didn't turn them down just because the state they live in is of a different political preference to them.
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Hahahahahaha

Six months of living with tree huggers and thinks there's no sociological, racial or geographic schisms in America.

Hey Povol.
What do you think about moving to NY, Connecticut, or Massachusetts?

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As Lewis Grizzard said “ 75 runs north and Delta is ready when you are” a quote he used when transplanted Yanks insisted we do things their way. Why is it a group of people will abandon a region because of bad politics only to try and institute those same bad politics where they relocate. We have the halfbacks here. These are the ones who couldn’t assimilate in Florida, got halfway home and discovered paradise. We welcome them with the warning that they leave their politics behind and for the most part they do.
exactly i left NYC for FL and my reason and most of the time other people reason is because of city and state taxes, quality of life or gun laws. then they vote for the same type of people that they voted for in NY. if you want the same stay in ny. i call them locusts. vote for garbage in MD and then destroy VA. destroy nyc go to FL. destroy Cali then TX. you get the point.

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March 27th, 2018, 11:29 AM   #64
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People don't leave the North because of bad politics. They move south because their arteries have hardened, and can't stand the cold anymore.

Politics... people take them with them wherever they go.
I deal with them all the time, most leave because their pension wonít allow to live. They can come here and pay a 1/4 the taxes, buy 4 times the house and live comfortably and thatís because of bad politics
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Hahahahahaha

Six months of living with tree huggers and thinks there's no sociological, racial or geographic schisms in America.

Hey Povol.
What do you think about moving to NY, Connecticut, or Massachusetts?

Ainít happening.
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I deal with them all the time, most leave because their pension wonít allow to live. They can come here and pay a 1/4 the taxes, buy 4 times the house and live comfortably and thatís because of bad politics

I guess we can agree to disagree. If a person's pension is bad - it's because A. He didn't earn enough or B - someone in the organization he worked for stole from the pension fund. I'm well familiar with this stuff. I was in unions (including the Teamsters) from the time I was 19 till when I started my own business at 42.

Re: taxes - generally speaking the tax rate is commensurate with degree of public services offered by local government. NY State offers social services, programs for seniors, for children, after-school programs, business training programs, arts programs etc etc etc that are not parallelled in places like Florida or Arkansas.

If a person is 85 years old, living on a tiny pension and SS and doesn't much go out of the house, they don't care about the quality of schools or arts programs and so on. I get that.

I've got lots of friends who've moved down to Mexico because they just didn't earn enough to retire in NY. I moved up to Rockland County a few years ago because I'd been in NYC for more than 50 years and it's lost it's appeal, and I'm happy up where I am which is very rural with lots of farmland - but I still end up driving into NYC to hear bands, and world music, go to the theater and get authentic food from Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, China, Venezuela, Paris, Germany, Poland etc that you will never find in Florida or much of anywhere outside a cosmopolitan city - and cities cost more money to run than suburbs.

There's folks around here who in all there life have never been more than 75 miles away from home. And they're happy. That's all good. They mostly never read a book and couldn't find China on a map. They don't know what they've missed out on by their lack of curiosity, but they're happy enough all the same, and I get along with my neighbors just great. But when I tell them I've just come back from 6 weeks of touring Vietnam and Cambodia on a motorcycle they just kind of give me a blank look like I must be some kind of eccentric. I reckon that sort of dull lack of interest in the wider world is a direct result of a lesser education system and local government that doesn't support arts and cultural exchange. And when provincial types are on occasion exposed to people with a wider range of cultural engagement they sometimes think of those people as "elitist". But being elite in itself is not a negative thing. MotoGp racers are an elite and so are top people in any sport or field of education.

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I guess we can agree to disagree. If a person's pension is bad - it's because A. He didn't earn enough or B - someone in the organization he worked for stole from the pension fund. I'm well familiar with this stuff. I was in unions (including the Teamsters) from the time I was 19 till when I started my own business at 42.

Re: taxes - generally speaking the tax rate is commensurate with degree of public services offered by local government. NY State offers social services, programs for seniors, for children, after-school programs, business training programs, arts programs etc etc etc that are not parallelled in places like Florida or Arkansas.

If a person is 85 years old, living on a tiny pension and SS and doesn't much go out of the house, they don't care about the quality of schools or arts programs and so on. I get that.

I've got lots of friends who've moved down to Mexico because they just didn't earn enough to retire in NY. I moved up to Rockland County a few years ago because I'd been in NYC for more than 50 years and it's lost it's appeal, and I'm happy up where I am which is very rural with lots of farmland - but I still end up driving into NYC to hear bands, and world music, go to the theater and get authentic food from Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, China, Venezuela, Paris, Germany, Poland etc that you will never find in Florida or much of anywhere outside a cosmopolitan city - and cities cost more money to run than suburbs.

There's folks around here who in all there life have never been more than 75 miles away from home. And they're happy. That's all good. They mostly never read a book and couldn't find China on a map. They don't know what they've missed out on by their lack of curiosity, but they're happy enough all the same, and I get along with my neighbors just great. But when I tell them I've just come back from 6 weeks of touring Vietnam and Cambodia on a motorcycle they just kind of give me a blank look like I must be some kind of eccentric. I reckon that sort of dull lack of interest in the wider world is a direct result of a lesser education system and local government that doesn't support arts and cultural exchange. And when provincial types are on occasion exposed to people with a wider range of cultural engagement they sometimes think of those people as "elitist". But being elite in itself is not a negative thing. MotoGp racers are an elite and so are top people in any sport or field of education.
I guess the mass exodus from California is because of the weather huh.
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I am from Texas, but have lived in a few places, including California... But I think people migrate for different reasons. Right now a lot of people are coming to Texas because of the cost of living, taxes, and jobs. But we are near the bottom in education, we lead the nation in un-insured, and the humidity can be brutal during the summer.
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I guess the mass exodus from California is because of the weather huh.
This is hyperbolic click-bait pushed by right-wing rags like Forbes. People always come and go from state to state. Lot's of people are hurting financially after the giant economic downturn in 2008 and and have had to move to places with lower taxes and inadequate public services. My business makes less than half of what I made in 2008 - but that's not the fault of NY State. Some businesses unable to thrive in the internet age - are moving to states with less taxes like Kansas which may be good for their bottom line but the economy in KS is shit and public services are horrendous.

It's the truest paradigm of the real estate business. When a place becomes popular - the rents get raised, and the wealthy move in and the blue collar population move away. And it's not as if California is hurting from a lowered population. Even with "mass exodus" a lot of people bitch and moan that California is too crowded.

Real estate in Florida is cheap because there's no real competition to live there because there's not much employment and it's a cultural black hole where old people go to die.

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There's nothing wrong with Florida.

Better than being stuck in the taxed to death shitholes of NJ/NY/CT.

All you ever hear about is how bad the government finances of those states are, which is 100% true. NJ has priced out the middle class with all of the people who fled NY and created a real estate price increase by paying $400-$500K for houses built in the 1950s or 1960s and then ripping them down to build McMansions. Property taxes in NJ are outrageous. A friend is having to sell their home because they can't afford $13,000 in property taxes.

Moving to a state that offers low cost of living if you live in a high cost of living state isn't a bad idea. It's called being smart.
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